Is it bad I want to try wine? I've never drank in my life, no never even tried it. I'm NOM right now, if I had my choice we'd be out but dh still believes some (he's coming around though). Neither of us would ever become drinkers, it's just not who we are (nothing to do with LDS doctrine more to do with being health nuts). But lately I've wanted to try wine. I feel like growing up LDS and going to college at Ricks, I missed out on how normal kids mature and grow up, trying new things, seeing how they fit in the world. I don't want to do it to be rebellious or anything like that but because I feel like such a dork because I never have. Is that so bad? I have weird reactions (like my body overreacts to it, 1 has the affect that 2 or 3 would on a normal person) even to Tylenol so I don't even take drugs when I'm sick, will trying this kill me?

Also, other ramblings, YW's leader gave a lesson in daughter's class about a quiet shy girl with poor hygiene and how they befriended her and suddenly she became a clean outgoing girl just like them. This hurt my daughter's feelings (yes we're working on the hygiene part) but she felt it was directed to her and asked not to go to church this week. She's not dirty or smelly just needs to shower more often and she is quiet at church but not outside of it. They aren't even trying to figure her out, they don't know her or understand her at all. It was insulting to her, so we aren't going tomorrow. Why give a lesson like this? Why would I want my daughter to change who she is and become a future Mormon stepford wife?

You have my permission

Will you help me to the hospital if I do? I'm really freaked out about what it will do to me.

Try half a glass of wine with your dinner. The food will help to mitigate the alcohol. And serve glasses of water with your meal was well.

Ideally it just has a bit of a relaxing effect. It takes the rough edges off of the day. You might laugh a bit more and your husband might suddenly seem even more attractive to you. ;-)

Enjoy!

I've known hundreds of people who drink wine. Not one of them has ever ended up in the hospital from it. ever!

Thanks! :)

i live in Western Washington. I'm guessing not close enough to have you over for dinner and a glass of nice wine.

Nope, I'm afraid not. Used to live in Seattle though, I miss it a lot.

Not drinking wine is just not at all a big deal among those who regularly drink wine. And most of them don't drink that often and sometimes not at all even if they are with others who do drink wine.

I remember being TBM and on business trips and feeling so dumb that I didn't order a drink. But then I remembered that, actually, NOTHING is all about me, and plenty of colleagues were guzzling club soda or water.

You are nowhere near as weird or isolated as mormonism would like you to believe. You would fit in just fine, wine or no wine.

As for your daughter, I'm glad you have an excuse not to go to church. If something hurts you should keep away from it. Just keep on keeping away and you can leave the pain behind.

I recommend the book Changing Bodies Changing Lives to help teens navigate their growing physical and sexual selves.

I know we have friends that drink fairly regularly, that's where a big shock will come to, they've always been good about understanding we don't even want to.

Thanks for the book recommendation as well, I'll look into it.

when you think your are ready.

Try wine! Try it. Just go easy on it your first time :)

He loved it. He even had a go at producing his own.

If you live in the West, have some reds from the Yakima Valley. Some of it is to die for.

Putting the kaibosh on wines is probably anti-Christian, incidentally.

Reds can be more bitter and not as pleasant as a first experience. Chateau St. Michelle has a very nice Riesling.

Most LDS folks have been conditioned over many years that every drink must be very sweet. Most wines are not sweet. Rieslings, white zinfandel, and Moscatos are on the sweeter side, so they would be more palatable for a first timer. They are also typically a bit lower in alcohol. If you were to taste a dry white or red, you might just turn up your nose and wonder what all the hoopla was about.

Contrary to popular Mormon belief, one drink won't turn you into an alcoholic. A glass of wine with a meal would be a perfect way to introduce yourself to a beverage that the rest of the world enjoys immensely, and that Christ himself made on at least one occasion. Even the Mormon church approves of wine for the sacrament, if it is made by the members...

I am sitting here wishing I had remembered to go get a bottle of wine today and although I want a glass, I will not run out to get any.

If I had gotten some wine, my favorite is a white zinfadel...I also like Smirnoff Ice, particularly their Raspberry flavored. I don't drink much, it's been weeks since I had a drink and I am a light drinker and these two varieties suit me fine.

White Zin was my first wine. I used to drink that or chardonnay. I can't stand it anymore. I actually prefer red wine. Pinot Noir is one of my favorites. I wouldn't suggest it for a first timer though.

I totally had a similar phobia about trying alcohol. I actually used to say to people that I'm glad I never tried it because I probably have the kind of personality where I'd end up as an alcoholic or something.

Totally not true. I don't like beer. I do like martinis though, especially the girly-fruity martinis. And pina-coladas.

As for my phobia of becoming an alcoholic... I can't believe I ever thought that.

I like non alcoholic pina colada's already! :) One of our friends loves bourbon and it smells sickly sweet to me, but I want to try it too. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone, I am clueless here.

> Neither of us would ever become drinkers, it's just not who we
> are (nothing to do with LDS doctrine more to do with being
> health nuts)

There are plenty of articles out there about the health benefits of wine in moderation, just ask google... Some examples:

6 Reasons Why a Little Glass of Wine Each Day May Do You Good
http://www.health.com/health/article/0,,20410287,00.html

Drinking excessively is well documented as being very unhealthy. Drinking moderately however has been well documented across many studies with large numbers of people as having significant health benefits.

Moderate drinkers tend to have better health and live longer than those who are either abstainers or heavy drinkers.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/alcoholandhealth.html
Quote:
In addition to having fewer heart attacks and strokes, moderate consumers of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine or distilled spirits or liquor) are generally less likely to suffer hypertension or high blood pressure, peripheral artery disease, Alzheimer's disease and the common cold. Sensible drinking also appears to be beneficial in reducing or preventing diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, bone fractures and osteoporosis, kidney stones, digestive ailments, stress and depression, poor cognition and memory, Parkinson's disease, hepatitis A, pancreatic cancer, macular degeneration (a major cause of blindness), angina pectoris, duodenal ulcer, erectile dysfunction, hearing loss, gallstones, liver disease and poor physical condition in elderly.



Drinking beer in moderation (up to 2 drinks a day for us guys) can and will reduce your chances of strokes, as well as heart and vascular disease.
http://www.askmen.com/sports/foodcourt/45_eating_well.html



Drinking Alcohol May Extend Your Life
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16173568/wid/11915773?GT1=8816
Quote:
A study on over 1 million drinkers and 94,000 deaths yielded the results: "According to the data, drinking a moderate amount of alcohol — up to four drinks per day in men and two drinks per day in women — reduces the risk of death from any cause by roughly 18 percent, the team reports in the Archives of Internal Medicine. However, things radically change when consumption goes beyond these levels.



This article covers roughly 12,000 men and women in Denmark
for a period of 20 years:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080109/hl_nm/drinking_health_dc

Quote:
"People who neither drink nor exercise have a 30 to 49 percent higher risk of heart disease than people who do one or both of the activities... Non-drinkers had a 30 percent to 31 percent higher risk of heart disease compared to moderate drinkers, no matter the amount of physical activity they undertook."

The actual Journal article can be read online here in the European Heart Journal:
http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/ehm574v1


This one summarizes the results from 20,000 initially healthy British men and women studied over 11 years. The research forms part of the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC): conducted across ten European countries, apparently the largest investigation into diet and health ever undertaken. To summarize, moderate drinking, combined with exercise, diet, and not smoking increases life expectancy by 14 years:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080108/hl_nm/longevity_lifestyle_dc
Quote:
"People who drink moderately, exercise, quit smoking and eat five servings of fruit and vegetables each day live on average 14 years longer than people who adopt none of these behaviors...
The lifestyle change with the biggest benefit was giving up smoking, which led to an 80 percent improvement in health, the study found. This was followed by eating fruits and vegetables.

Moderate drinking and keeping active brought the same benefits


The actual Journal article can be read online here:
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050012

Increases Life Expectancy by FIVE years
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090429205609.htm

Lower Lung Cancer Risk -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081007073922.htm

Lower Cardiovascular Disease Risk -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081028103105.htm

Fights Alzheimer's Disease -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081121092454.htm

Lowers Risk of Barrett's Esophagus -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090302090133.htm

Alcohol protects men's hearts:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8367141.stm

Greater Bone Protection -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090303102733.htm

Reduces Gallstone Risk -
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090601090035.htm

Protects The Prostate
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070525215203.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070831131320.htm

Wine Boosts Omega-3 for Healthier Heart
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081204133610.htm

Chocolate, Wine And Tea Improve Brain Performance
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081223123530.htm

Increases Life Expectancy
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090624093353.htm

Moderate Alcohol Consumption In Middle Age Lowers Cardiac Risk
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080307073045.htm

Moderate Drinking May Help Older Women Live Longer
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/12/061213174248.htm

A Drink To Healthy Aging
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071213101422.htm

Moderate Alcohol Intake May Reduce Risk Of Dementia In Older
Women
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050123205648.htm

Moderate Drinking Can Reduce Risks Of Alzheimer's Dementia And
Cognitive Decline, Analysis Suggests
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081229200750.htm

Drink A Day May Delay Dementia, Study Suggests
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070521162201.htm

Regular Moderate Alcohol Intake Has Cognitive Benefits In Older
Adults
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090713114506.htm

On the other hand, drinking too much is very very bad for you. Don't be like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czSvCK-M8JM

I almost forgot this one...

Wine may help women keep weight in check
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/08/us-wine-weight-idUSTRE62759S20100308

It is often said that wine is "an acquired taste." That is code for "it tastes nasty" and you have to somehow get past that to enjoy it.

After years of occasionally drinking wine and always thinking it was nasty, a friend introduced me to Reunite Lambrusco. It is a sweet red table wine, imported from Italy. I bought a bottle, and lo and behold it actually tastes good!!! So that has been my wine of choice ever since that first bottle.

It is because they are thoughtless, abusive harridans.

Do you want to expose your daughter to this kind of abuse? Then it is time to give up the NOM nonsense ______and run for your lives!!!!!______



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In time Matt, in time....

Jesus made and drank wine. That is all

My boys were late bloomers in the hygiene dept. Once my older son started hanging out with girls, they gently encouraged him to clean up his act. (Girls from the church youth group who were like sisters to him) Still waiting for the 16 year old to get with the program. He went all weekend without brushing his teeth and had to take the emergency toothbrush and toothpaste from the car with him Monday a.m. to brush in the school bathroom.

If your first glass of wine is at a restaurant, have someone else drive you home. You'll be feeling fine and a little sleepy.

Try a white wine....a Reisling, a White Zin. I am not much of a red wine drinker. I think you have to have special taste buds for that. Now if you want a nice mixed drink.... Get a rum and coke....in a tall glass - that way the alchohol is not so strong. Love that drink....really love it and have for decades!!!

Try strawberry and lime cider on ice or any cider. Moscato is a good one to start with as it's only 4-6% and is sweet and fruity.



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