Where do babies come from?

I seriously need help. Since leaving TSCC I am trying to keep an open mind about the questions of life. Without the go-to answers I am having trouble speculating.

Also, because I prefer hearing stories instead of reading details, I am starting to panic over basic facts.

For example, I was watching Friends the other day and they were arguing about one of the characters doubting evolution.

I am coming to terms with the possibility that we are all just made up of stuff and we live and die and that is it. I realized I am not all that familiar with the specifics of evolution. But the other character was defending evolution with his life and then I felt a bit lost for having gone this long without knowing anything about the world that didn't revolve around the plan of happiness.

Then the first character began discussing dinosaurs as a conspiracy.

I honestly had to stop for a second and think about whether or not dinosaurs were a real thing taught in school or just a theory that TSCC pretends doesn't exist.

Talk about sad. I've had to do some serious re-wiring in my brain. It kind of makes life all that more fascinating and simple though.

There are a million complications that could occur every single day and yet somehow we have survived and thrived. It kind of gives me a headache. With all the history and current events I don't feel like I can keep up. I wasn't prepared to think in the real world.

I kind of feel like a freak now. How has your view specifically on life and death changed since your leaving?

When a man loves women's bodies very very much. He occasionally gets a special feeling.

This feeling is where he needs to see a woman's body in real life and not just on the internet. So, he ventures to a magical place; his local strip club.

Now this feeling hopefully happens on the weekend and not a weekday because during the week, the strip club stops being magical and starts being a dark and evil place full of desperate witches.

During the weekend though, the fairest maidens in all the land gather together and shower the man with praise and compliments. Whether he's deserving of them or not.

The man doesn't care, because attention is attention even though he is nothing more than a fleshy ATM to these lovely maidens with step father issues.

When one maiden twirls enough around the pole to catch the man's fancy he asks for her hand in escort to the back room where he will exchange sweaty $20 bills for even more attention.

After some negotiating the man receives a private "dance" that lasts more than one song, and costs more than normal. He goes back home very pleased at the time.

Several months later the man receives another special feeling of painful burning and irritation while the woman he danced with begins to throw up even though she hasn't had any "silly juice" as is part of her daily routine.

Feeling like taking a break from dancing, she decides to keep the special gift that was given her by the man named "client." After a few more moths, she heads to the free clinic for a special "delivery."

AND THAT'S WHERE BABIES COME FROM!

I'm ONLY trying to understand my mind without the brainwashings of a cult that has left with me with guilt and fear. I've ONLY tried to kill myself twice, but it's nice to know if I don't just disappear when I die I will have great company in hell. Thanks for yor input Raptor Jesus.

Don't jump all over me for joking around with you when you started the thread with a joke.

Consider that a free lesson in your rewiring.

If you want to learn about evolution, I suggest you start with Richard Dawkin's "Greatest Show on Earth" and not get your ideas from a crappy sitcom where the dinosaur conspiracy debate was supposed to be a joke anyway.

If you want to chat online sometime (real-time chat) just let me know...my degree is in Biology and I've had some Geology too so I'm pretty sure I can answer most of your questions and explain the basics of the origin of the earth and the evolution of life upon it, DNA, survial of the fittest, that kind of stuff. It would be way to much to write here on my laptop, in bed, with one eye closed.

I never really believed in heaven and hell, it seemed way too far fetched and based on nothing. Evolution is pretty real, look into it. I was debating with my very Christian friend awhile ago and I asked him why he thought God existed and he said something along the lines of "look at the world man, everything is in such a balance. we need oxygen, trees need CO2 and we trade, you know? Our bodies are perfect for what we need to do" and so forth and other primitive thought. I just thought it was funny that he tried to say that trees giving off oxygen and us needing oxygen was a sign of God, that's a pretty clear sign of evolution IF anything.

Welcome to the club! I have been working on deprogramming my poor brainwashed mind for several years. Now, I'm thinking that understanding the world will be one of my life's missions.

Ldscam wrote: "I've had to do some serious re-wiring in my brain. It kind of makes life all that more fascinating and simple though."

Abso-freakin'-lutely! You are on the right track, and opening up your mind to inductive reasoning can be fun! Most of the time I feel like a kid in a candy store. There are so many exciting things to learn, and you can't learn it all at once, so be patient.

Congratulations on freeing your mind and your life from cult bondage. That is just too, too tragic that you would try to end your life! I hope that you have learned that your life has VALUE, that people love you, and that psychology is a real science. Many of us former Mormons were raised by parents who were mentally in the Dark Ages.

True wisdom is knowing that you don't know everything. Compare that to Mormons, who just "know." "When the prophet speaks, the thinking has been done."

Fortunately, I never let those bastards wire me up with their "one size fits all" schematic.
I never let them have my mind.

As a teenager I developed the ability to withdraw into myself and ignore the bullshit.

The rewiring I'm attempting now is to think more logically/scientifically, relying less on emotion and bias.

new facts you are accepting.

First you have to be emotionally ready to change your whole outlook on reality. Then you have to decide which philosophies of life look worth pursuing. After that you can decide which theories seem supportable. And then you start the cycle all over again because you've learned so much.

It seems like you are still trying to answer religion's questions. Religion wants you to focus all your energy on the issues they alone can answer. It gives them power over us. After a few trips through the process of growth, I found that reality demands putting less energy into worrying about where we came from and where we go. There are no answers. Instead, I moved onto putting my energy into deciding how to live each day.

It's very freeing. Enjoy the journey.

"I am coming to terms with the possibility that we are all just made up of stuff and we live and die and that is it."

That's the way it's frequently perceived after losing the paradigm of having everlasting glory beyond this life.

Clichés abound re living life to the fullest... so I'll refrain from spouting them.

Best wishes on adapting to your new journey! You're in good company.

Mankind crawled out of a cave into the "unknown," facing it with this attitude, "I'll bring tools and I'll be careful--I'll figure it out as I go along." Remember that man they found frozen in the Alps. He was from 10,000 years ago and he was crossing snow-covered mountains wearing suede shoes lined with straw and they worked fine. If he hadn't been followed by an enemy? wife he was leaving? and shot with an arrow, we wouldn't have ever had his body and clothes to look at.

Your mind is every bit as good as his if not better after 10,000 more years of survival-of-the-fittest. Your ancestors were the fittest. Now you've been screwed over by an exploitative group, but you are hardwired magnificently and you can recover. Everyone here was once like you, fresh out of a cult and scared. If you've read this board much, you know how opinionated we all are--we love that about ourselves! After sitting with people who all officially speak the party line, chanting to each other every month the same exact thing, it is beyond wonderful to read diversity of opinion which can teach you something-- which enriches you as you agree with this part or that part and adopt the new idea for yourself. You are free...FREE to find out what YOUR opinions are. This is truly glorious.

When I left Mormonism, I was startled to find my opinions were not accessible to me. I had no opinions that I could access. Those brain circuits weren't there. I later learned that my opinions WERE there, but cut off from my conscious mind. I was patient with myself, letting a question go, like was I really a conservative? Or was I really a liberal? Did I really believe in Jesus? What about God the Father? The questions all came bubbling up at the same time, but there was no need to rush.

You can take your own sweet time. Vote independent or don't vote at all. It's up to you now that you are not an ant in the colony expected to pitch in your pre-programmed vote.

Joseph Campbell writes in his "Hero With a Thousand Faces" that the hero leaves his group and goes forth to face danger for what? To bring back truth. When he returns, he shares that truth. You are now that hero or heroine. You are leaving your group for the sake of truth--when you come back, you are a new man/woman shining with the peace of living the way that feels right TO YOU!

You can choose to share it here with sarcasm, wit and humor or expressing anger or poignancy and pain, your honest expressions are welcome here. You can bring back your truth here and also at babycenter, mormon.org, the newspapers, the online mags, blogs, whatever suits you.

You will have experienced evolution first hand--and you will pass it to your children and grandchildren.

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Mormons have to create a need for their product, which is a promise that you and your family will not be separated in heaven. It's so much easier for them to sell this to people who already know what "heaven" means. All they have to do is ignore the part of the Bible where Jesus says people in heaven are like angels. Angels are sexless, according to tradition.

You quickly realize that it's a hot mess because "Angel" Moroni is not at all sexless as depicted in approved Mormon literature. And what the heck is a resurrected being doing angel duties anyway??