reference in the New Testament, and the beginning of Armageddon, the main groups: Christians, Jews, Muslim. The religions have imposter messiahs like the anti-Christ of the last days, the enemy of Christ or the anti-Christ is the Son of Satan.
The enemy of all that is good.

Lots of prophecies on the anti-Christ, for instance in Revelation and the number 666.

These are ancient prophecies, the key found in the Nostradamus Effect from the 16th century. He believed he had a gift of prophesy were from God and he had to warn the people. He said he saw three anti-Christ's. East and West religious traditions only have one anti-Christ. The third may be among us now. He describes Napoleon and Hitler as the first two false prophets.

Do you think there will be an "End Times"? Is there an anti-Christ?
Or is all this imaginary fear tactics based on ancient prophecies?

Mormonism has based it's core on living in "the last days" -- do the general membership seriously believe in an anti-Christ, Armageddon, the End Times? Or is it predominately just a theory?



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The best hypothesis I've heard on this is that it was disguised contemporary political commentary.

From what I understand (I don't remember the details) 666 was numerology for Nero the then leader of Rome who wasn't too big on Christianity.

If the 666 was referring to Nero it could have also been allegorical to refer to anything worldly outside of Christianity.

Mormons today definitely believe in the Armageddon, End of Times thing. Many of them are still really into it being in the next 5 years. However with correlation and the church more centrally controlling what is discussed in church the whole end of times is near thing is slowing down a little.

A few examples from my experience:
My brother came home from seminary one day completely convinced by his seminary teacher that the 2nd coming would happen before 2025 (using similar "logic" as Harold Camping).

A few years ago the high council representative to our ward was very convinced that the 2nd coming was very near and commented on in incessantly in our ward council and elder's quorum presidency meetings.

A guy who was bishop in our ward about 15 years ago (before we moved in) told the youth that he was quite confident that the second coming was coming in the next 5 years (10 years off so far).

ronas Wrote:
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> The best hypothesis I've heard on this is that it
> was disguised contemporary political commentary.
>
> From what I understand (I don't remember the
> details) 666 was numerology for Nero the then
> leader of Rome who wasn't too big on
> Christianity.
>
> If the 666 was referring to Nero it could have
> also been allegorical to refer to anything worldly
> outside of Christianity.
>

That is my theory too.
> Mormons today definitely believe in the
> Armageddon, End of Times thing. Many of them are
> still really into it being in the next 5 years.
> However with correlation and the church more
> centrally controlling what is discussed in church
> the whole end of times is near thing is slowing
> down a little.
>
> A few examples from my experience:
> My brother came home from seminary one day
> completely convinced by his seminary teacher that
> the 2nd coming would happen before 2025 (using
> similar "logic" as Harold Camping).
>
> A few years ago the high council representative to
> our ward was very convinced that the 2nd coming
> was very near and commented on in incessantly in
> our ward council and elder's quorum presidency
> meetings.
>
> A guy who was bishop in our ward about 15 years
> ago (before we moved in) told the youth that he
> was quite confident that the second coming was
> coming in the next 5 years (10 years off so far).

That was my understanding. They were telling the faithful that the Romans and particularly Nero were about to get ther just dues.



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For some people the end of the world has already happened; like when they see their tribe slaughtered in a genocide and then they too are killed. I can't think of anything much more apocalyptic than that.

Certainly someday, sooner or later (next year or in 10,000 years), one of those supervolcanoes currently bubbling and spewing steam into the air is going to start spewing billions of tons of ash into the air, blotting out sunlight and throwing the world into a deep dark winter for years.

It's possible that if we get enough crazy people with nuclear weapons, we could end up with THAT kind of apocalypse.

And when any one of those things happen, the Christians will decide who and what the anti-Christ is at that time, and their prophecies will be fulfilled to their satisfaction.

Loved reading that. Really well thought. Have you read the National Geographic report on the volcano looming under Yellowstone and how much of the world it will take out when it blows?

and the whole world wandered after the beast, that is the beast of pagen sunday roman rule from the vatican where church and state join up and become united, forced sunday law where no one can buy or sell without sunday one world gov rule approved...

on my mission a general authority i had lunch with at his place said the prophet will change it back to true sabbath saturday one of the original of the 10 commandments, number 4 as god is not a changing god when it comes to those laws. But modern day prophets seem not to blink an eye that sunday is pagen but the resurrected day justified and like pagen sun day and sun worshipping day have the symbolism on some temples and door facing the pagen east for the up side down cross that is facing in distant space photographed as the sign of the anti christ and the whole pagen world was decieved, from catholicim to mormonism..
the united order one world pagen 666 will adjoin with mormonism united order if they operate also on the sunday at the time where many will have to flee sunday relegions to flee such damnation even to die than join a sunday relegion for financial help. The mormon church is loaded with money to help all those stay in their pagen sunday relegion...

There is no rest for the wicked... the foundation of sunday relegions gives creedence to catholicsm the founder who changed the true sabbath to sunday and breaking the 4th of the 10 commandments, the sealing up of the holy ghost and mark and charactor of gods holy day saturday denied are all under a bloody curse..Opposition is not because the church is true but because it is hell. a joyful relegion does not suffer the way mormon history has it and catholic also, and all sunday relegions a bloody battle and mess supporting the antichrist of the east, and the upside down cross of christ
and the sun symbolism.

flee from the occult relegions who are new age and believe in dead spirits and immortality of spirit...

resurrection to be mortal means a 2nd death
and immortal resurrection means immortality..

the dead are concious of nothing the bible says..

new age relegions and sunday relegions are free masonary, illumaniti scull and bones, knight templers behind them all pulling the strings especially financial economy to cause collaspe deliberatly the elite withdrawing their money and forcing the nations to heed to the one world gov for help all in the name of support sunday relegion and the whole world decieved by the false peace and false security recieve the mark of the beast 666....

Many will come out of great tribulation and give up their pagen sunday beliefs and stop support catholic sunday political powers that control united nations and future one world govenment already signed in treaty to happen as soon as circumstances allow it world take over including mormon church involved with govenment so Mit Rommeny if got in would be a sign toward this also...

ex west aussie.

ex west aussie.

WTF!?

Ok. My in-laws are all Australians and all of them do the e-mails with run-on sentences, little punctuation and no caps.

That may be the custom down under, but you are cheating yourself out of meaningful conversations with others in forums like this if you choose to continue that. There is an amazing level of intellect on this board and it is great when they give you feed-back instead of skipping the post.

You know what you mean, but we may not.

The notion of the "anti-Christ" is continually trying to be identified with a third world war.
So far, I see all of it as theory, speculation, prophecy that may or may not have any real meaning whatsoever.

Personally, I don't think there is any reason to think the world/earth is going to be destroyed.

I think it's more of a fear tactic to get people to stop destructive behavior.

Before he reveals himself in the endtimes or whatever, he is biding his time as the Executive VP of the logistics company I used to work for. Have to say, this guy's a very good choice to be a minion of Satan. He's getting in lots of practice making people's lives miserable.

janebond462 Wrote:
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> Before he reveals himself in the endtimes or
> whatever, he is biding his time as the Executive
> VP of the logistics company I used to work for.
> Have to say, this guy's a very good choice to be a
> minion of Satan. He's getting in lots of practice
> making people's lives miserable.


Oh ya... :-) I hear ya! I think we have all seen the "anti-Christ" ... someplace and even have to work with a good impostor!!

for the purpose of manipulating and controlling others.

I don't think prophecies are fiction, much less that the fact is obvious. Some people do have a gift for seeing things before they happen. Far more people have a gift for understanding human nature so profoundly that they can tell what certain individuals or societies will do, mostly because they know what has been done in the past.

For example, I claim neither of the above gifts but I will make a prophecy that another leader along the lines of Napoleon or Hitler will arise and sooner or later, under his command, enough of the world will be involved in a war they provoke to consider it a third world war. Why? Because it's human nature, throughout history, that from time to time these evil men rise to positions of power and wreck havoc on society. We may say we are more civilized now but Hitler was less than a hundred years ago. Someone will come along to rival him. The world is a smaller place now so it will be easier to involve more countries on either side of whatever war Dictator Bob starts. None of this is based on putting a rock in a hat either. That's just how history works and one way or another, history will sooner or later repeat itself.

And speaking of prophecies, let's not forget the gift of retrospect. I've made my prophecy. One hundred years from now, when my vague prophecy comes true, your descendants can talk about how exactly my description fit Dictator Bob and how he used the global communications system to polarize the populace. Who says for sure Hitler was the Anti-Christ? We do - not those who gave the revelation. We do because he fits in our retrospective opinion. Nothing the bible says makes it clear that Hitler was Bad Dude Number Two. That's our doing.

I think a lot of Mormons believe in the end of times and the anti-Christ and the whole nine yards. At least, a lot of them seem to be storing food and batteries and porn (just kidding about that last one...I think). I think they believe in it but the vagueness of the whole thing lets the bored get excited about planning without being discouraged it didn't happen yesterday. And the young 'uns in the church can still shop at Nordstroms and buy their McMansions and research plastic surgeons because they are pretty sure the end of times isn't coming all that soon. I mean, they believe in it but they aren't going to let it effect their golf game on Saturday.

in the future? No one KNOWS the future. The best ANYONE can do is make educated guesses about what MAY happen based on what is currently happening or has happened. That's all that scientists do.

Religion tries to make outrageous claims that certain things will absolutely occur. But they haven't got a clue. Can any of us think of any unique, objectively testable claim that ANY prophet has made about the future that actually happened? I don't know of any. And I'm not talking about claims that researches retroactively researched and said that if you read this statement made by XYZ prophet, and look at it from this bizarre angle, and disregard these 50 other contradictory statements, then maybe there is something worth looking at. (Like Nostradamus).

However, none of them can find the Biblical references that connect the anti-Christ to the armageddon. They don't exist.

It is so cute when I see them scramble to find an answer.



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G.K. Chesterton, the British thinker, said John saw many strange monsters when he wrote the book of Revelation, but he saw no monsters stranger than the scholars who've tried to explain his vision.

It's all imaginary nonsense, in my view. There is no way there would be some kind of "rapture" either where people would just disappear right out of their cars, airplanes,buses, trains, causing accidents, and other problems. The rapture has to be one of the most absurd ideas anyone ever came up with.

The guy that wrote revelations must have come upon some amazing mushrooms.

If its all true, the mo's will all be fleeing to Mo. so they can all be together there. Sorry in advance to any one who loves Mo. But it's close to my idea of hell.

If it's true, I live in the pacific rim ring of fire, on an island. I most likely will be one of the first to die. I'm fine with that. I honestly don't get the people who want to survive the worst world catastrophe (other than the flood that wasn't). Take my car and flush toilet? I'd rather be dead.

I'm just laying low until it's the right time. I'm all about timing, see? RElax....as long as you don't piss me off, you'll be just fine and you can carry on with your peaceful existence. Things really won't change that much. Be happy.

"Or is all this imaginary fear tactics based on ancient prophecies?"

Yes, I think it is a sad delusion.

I received a mailing recently that said the President (Obama) was the anti-Christ. Then it said Benedict XVI was the anti-Christ. So I am confused.