Hi Guys

Here is a good one. I was speaking to one of the foreign missionaries in my ward whose language I happen to speak fluently. He is a good fellow and from the area I lived in and studied for some time in his Homeland. We were talking about his work and he said that the Stake had commissioned all missionaries to work on "inactive" members. He told me I was on the list and would like to come over. I told him to come by whenever he feels like it because I like him and not because i am on a list.

Now I am a convert and the sole member in my whole family (spouse, etc...). I have two callings with youth, help clean the church, do HT because I care about the people I am supposed to visit. I also sing, do scouts, and generally help out. And this is considered inactive! Maybe because I am not endowed, don't pay full tithe, and have a gentile wife they don't want to know what garments look like. That must be it.

I like being in the church and believe in much of the message. I do, however, like to read and post here because at least some folks here have reached the take or leave stage that I have regarding what the church thinks of me and what I think of the church system - a pennywise/pound foolish group of old fartknockers that, more often than not, disgrace the good message.

Regards

BA

The mormon "you're not good enough" idea is alive and well in your ward.

This is why many mormons lose their sense of inner peace and esteem.

paid a full tithe. I'm guessing 'active' and 'tither' are synonyms.

I wondered the same thing.

Hey BA, Sounds to me like you're comfortable in your own skin and you live by your own rules. And I say, good for you! I see no reason why you should leave mormonism right now. You are able to go to the "buffet" pick out the things you like and leave the rest where they are! I have a feeling though, it will get more difficult to conduct yourself in that manner as time goes by. Just because the nature of the beast(mormonism) is going to keep the pressure up for you to comply to THEIR RULES! Many of the things (the message) you find in mormonism you can apply in your life outside the realm of mormonism! So if the time ever comes for you to leave, LEAVE!,And please,please, dont pay any attention to the nonsense that they will try to guilt you with. Its just superficial spiritual blackmail from a fraudulent religious sect!! Cheers!

Thanks to all - for me the good stuff is the Book of Mormon. Yes, I know it is not an ancient history but it is inspiring and lays out some wonderful doctrines. The ideas of progressions, theosis, priesthood (which, BTW, women should get IMO) and a number of other things smack of gnosticism and other anicent teachings which I favor. I take the good stuff and enjoy the good people. I see the present church as the real christ, rolled into a solar myth, rolled into a business. That is kinda hairy, I know! I hit on the first and keep the other two layers at bay. You are probably right, freebird, I will probably get kicked out before I leave. I used to be a federal agent so I don't take kindly to nonsense! That said, I won't get down to their level if it happens.

If all mormons were like you, sites like this wouldn't exist. Unfortunately you're dabbling into the reasons that mormonism is a problem. All the world is full of buffets with good principles, but not all buffets have crabs that pinch off your fingers if you don't take what they think you should. I'd wear gloves if I were you, and it sounds like that's what you're doing.

And I suppose you attend on Sundays also. What else do they want?

I've seen those lists and you are probably on it because you are part-member family and they want to convert your wife and get you married in the temple.

In our stake they are always challegenges given to each ward
# of baptisms
# of men given the Melk(oh my I already forgot how to spell it)
Priesthood
# of couples sealed in the temple

You probably qualified for all of the above and will help the Bishop look very good in front of the SP.

Gotta check that out.

...is not an ancient history. It is fiction. It is full of errors and nonsense. It is plagarized from the Bible (more nonsense) and just plain fiction based on a number of ideas and common folk beliefs of the 18th and 19th Centuries, mixed with Cambellite religious beliefs. It is written in bad King James English to appear be as if speaking from the past (of course everyone knows that God only speaks in bad King James English).



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The Book of Mormon is the cornerstone of the Mormon Church. The BoM describes events that allegedly happened over two thousand years ago. Archaeology is a branch of science whose purpose is to study that type of ancient history. Encarta (online dictionary) defines it as the scientific study of ancient cultures through the examination of their material remains such as buildings, graves, tools, and other artifacts usually dug up from the ground.

The world's foremost authority on archaeology is the Smithsonian Institution. A few years ago, some LDS believers circulated a false story claiming that the Smithsonian was using the Book of Mormon as a guide book. The Smithsonian decided to refute that misconception by publicly issuing the following statement:

STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON

1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern. central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World - probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age - in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.