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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 02:01AM

Enquiring minds like mine want to know.

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Posted by: ExmoMom ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 05:26AM

Yes, acc to Mormon doctrine, if she doesn't accept the Mormon faith on the "other side of the veil," she will have to live out the eternities in heaven as a "ministering angel" aka servant to the righteous.

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Posted by: Zeezromp ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 05:32AM

Mormon Apostle Mark E Peterson confirmed this at Brigham Young University in 1954.



“Think of the Negro, CURSED AS TO THE PRIESTHOOD.... This negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a BLACK SKIN, and possibly being born in darkest Africa—if that negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. IN SPITE OF ALL HE DID IN THE PRE-EXISTENT LIFE, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there AS A SERVANT, but he will get celestial glory.”

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Posted by: Grey Matter ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 07:32AM

Hello Zeezrom

I hope you're well.

I wanted to clarify the actual doctrine of the mormon church, according to one of it's periodicals, The Juvenile Instructor.

"We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race....every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with a countenance BRIGHT as the noonday sun.”

Sourfce: Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157

So, although Blacks, according to mormon doctrine, may be servants in heaven or servants of servants, they are not actually favoured servants.

Peterson was partly right, but he failed to mentioned that the best blacks can hope for in heaven is to be unfavoured, second class servants.

The mormon god has never been one to hold a grudge, has he?

Kind regards

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: February 19, 2012 03:32PM

So Whitney will be a servant with celestial glory ?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/19/2012 03:35PM by Dave the Atheist.

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Posted by: freeman ( )
Date: February 19, 2012 04:06PM

All of those assume, of course, that she accepts The Gospel. Most crack-heads don't. And I'm sure hard drugs are readily available in Spirit Prison. Once an addict, always an addict.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 19, 2012 04:13PM

the book of mormon says that people can't repent after they've died (not verbatim).

Pretty much shoots down the possibility of after-death redemption for anyone with any sins, doesn't it?

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Posted by: orphan ( )
Date: February 19, 2012 04:39PM

So, I suppose that what Peterson was saying is that slavery will continue on into the next life. If the whole black race is to be servants and servants of servants, then they have no hope of reaching godhood. What a screwed up religion the LDS church is.

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Posted by: forbiddencokedrinker ( )
Date: February 19, 2012 05:10PM

No, she will be doing all of her touring and performing in the Telestrial Kingdom. The Celestial Kingdom will of course have motab so they won't notice a huge difference.

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Posted by: enoughenoch19 ( )
Date: February 20, 2012 03:11AM

B/c she's black. Lovely TSCC huh?

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 20, 2012 03:19AM

President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Joseph Fielding Smith, in his book, “Answers to Gospel Questions,” declared:

“ . . . [I]f a Negro joins the [Mormon] church through the waters of baptism and is confirmed by the laying on of hands and then he remains faithful and true to the teachings of the Church and in keeping the commandments the Lord has given, he will come forth in the first resurrection and will enter the celestial kingdom of God. . . . The Negro who accepts the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is entitled to salvation in the celestial kingdom of the highest heaven spoken of by Paul.

"'It is true that the work of the ministry is given to other peoples and why should the so-called Christian denominations complain? How many Negroes have been placed as ministers over white congregations in the so-called Christian denominations? It appears that a great deal of noise has been made over a problem that does not really exist or is not peculiar to the Latter-day Saints.'

"' . . . Mormons. . . can do more for the Negro than any other church on the face of the earth.'"

(Jospeh Fielding Smith, "Answers to Gospel Questions," vol. 2, p. 55, quoted in John Lewis Lund, “The Church and the Negro: A Discussion of Mormons, Negroes and the Priesthood,” Chapter VII, “What is the Status of the Negro in the Mormon Church?” [John Lewis Lund, copyright 1967], pp. 58-59)
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What Mormons conveniently fail to note, of course, is their deep-seated, ugly belief that even if Mormons of African descent attain the highest level of the LDS celestial kingdom, they will only manage to do so through a mandatory process that involves their skin color being changed to white in order for them to reside among Mormon Whites and their White Mormon God.

Lund, in a chapter in his book headlined, “Church Leaders Speak Out on the Negro Question,” points to the case of Black Mormon convert Jane Manning James as an example of a Mormon of African descent making it to heaven--but only after having been turned White, literally.

Jane Manning James (otherwise known as “Aunt Jane") was a house servant to Joseph and Emma Smith in Nauvoo who--despite her unswerving faithfulness of 65 years to Mormonism--was denied the right by the White racists in the Mormon church's First Presidency to be temple-sealed to her own family; instead, they had her officially sealed to Joseph Smith as his servant throughout eternity.

(for a previous RfM thread on "Aunt Jane's" run-in with Mormonism's racist "revelation," see: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,417986,417986#msg-417986)


But being celestialized came with a catch: “Aunt Jane” first had to be "sanitized" because, according to White supremacist Mormon church doctrine, she had been born into a “cursed” lineage.

In order for her to be with Smith in the highest Mormon heaven, this Black woman would first have to have her "cursed" skin bleached white. The edict of Mormon church president Wilford Woodruff was clear, as Lund explains:

“Wilford Woodruff said about the Negro, 'The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings that we now have,'"

Lund explains how this color-cleansing would work before this Black woman would be allowed into Mormon heaven to be Joseph Smith's forever slave:

“In [Matthias F.] Cowley's book, 'Wilford Woodruff' [p. 587], the following story is told:

“'There is one peculiar characteristic noticeable in the journal ow Wilford Woodruff., . . . [He] love to dwell upon the good deeds of others . . . . . He said in his journal of o of October, that year [1894], that 'Aunt Jane,' the colored sister, had been to see him She was anxious to go through the Temple and receive the highest ordinances of the Gospel. President Woodruff blessed her for her constant, never changing devotion to the Gospel but explained to her her disadvantages as one of the descendants of Cain.

“”In after years, when President Joseph F. Smith preached the funeral sermon of this same faithful woman, he declared that she would, in the resurrection, attain the longing of her soul and become a white and beautiful person.”

(Lund, Chapter IX pp. 85-86; see also, William E. Berrett, “The Church and the Negroid People,” historical supplement, in John J. Stewart, “Mormonism and the Negro: An Explanation and Defense of the Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Regard to Negroes and Others of Negroid Blood” [Orem, Utah: Bookmark, a Division of Community Press Publishing Company, 1960], p. 16 of supplement).
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The primitively racist comments of Mormon apostle Mark E. Petersen speak for themselves. On 27 August 1954 in an address to a BYU convention of LDS religion teachers entitled “Race Problems--As They Affect the Church,” he informed the audience that "[i]f that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get a celestial resurrection."
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These days one does not often see Mormons openly pointing out that, according to their church's top “prophet, seer and revelator,” any faithful Mormon Black person will, in the end, “enter the celestial kingdom” as “a white and beautiful person.”

Perhaps even for the Mormon church's most abject apologists, this might be too racist to strut in front of decent company.

Don't put it past them, though, to tenderly harbor it in the bigoted recesses of their white-and-delightsome hearts.



Edited 9 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2012 08:12AM by steve benson.

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