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Posted by: Un pinche paisa ex-mamón con curiosidad ( )
Date: February 21, 2012 11:42PM

I'm a non believer of the church since I was 9 years old. Nowadays I'm 15 years old. I'm just curious about what they do in the temple (endowments, and stuff) and why my parents hesitate so much when talking about it.

I want so bad to know, but I'm not willing to live like a Mormon just to fulfill my curiosity.

Do any of you have the link of a website where they say something about the temple ceremonies?

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Posted by: Elohim ( )
Date: February 21, 2012 11:45PM

My child, all you must do is Google MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONY.... And your prayer will be answered.

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Posted by: Quoth the Raven "Nevermo" ( )
Date: February 21, 2012 11:49PM

Try the salamder society. http://salamandersociety.com/
I thought they had the text of the ceremony.

You can google it and find the text. Or try the mason's ceremony, it is basically the same thing.

There might be a youtube video of the ceremony, again, do a search.

Your parents don't talk about it because they have been brainwashed not to. It is all very silly stuff. Like boys with a secret handshake. There is nothing spiritual about it unless you think that god requires a secret handshake and secret name to get into heaven.

You don't want to experience yourself, you can be free of the cult when you move out from your parents.

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Posted by: Charlie ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 07:52PM

I don't think the masons get naked so they can be oogled, oil and washed.

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: February 21, 2012 11:52PM

Helps to know what to google though :)

Basically, you enter the temple and go into a locker room to change your clothes. You dress in white temple clothes and a packet of temple robes, folded up, that you carry with you to a chapel where you wait for the next session to begin. Someone comes to lead your group to the endowment room. You enter the endowment room - men sit on one side, women sit on the other. You watch a movie about the creation of the earth and the fall of Adam. You put on the temple robes as instructed to symbolize the different levels of knowledge and priesthoods. You learn different tokens, signs and handshakes. I'm giving you a link to a transcript of the endowment below.

At the end of the "session" you come forward, row by row, and one by one, go up to the "veil" in the temple and through holes in the veil, show that you know all the signs and tokens. Then some old guy pulls you through the veil and you get to sit in the Celestial Room for a few minutes until some old hag kicks you out to make room for the next group.


Here is a transcript of the temple endowment:

http://packham.n4m.org/endow90.htm

Here is how the men dress:

http://packham.n4m.org/m1-sign.jpg

Here is how the women dress:

http://www.salamandersociety.com/proxy/051022three_faces_eve.jpg



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2012 12:32AM by CA girl.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:22AM

I always wondered myself, but never enough that I ever asked my TBM parents who were regular attenders at the Cardston, AB temple, 'cause I never really gave a $hit what they did there, so thanks CA girl....

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Posted by: Thomas $. Monson ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 02:03AM

Excellent post, clear and concise.

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Posted by: Elohim ( )
Date: February 21, 2012 11:57PM

Oh, dear child, if you call upon the name of Google once more with terms such as "Big Love Mormon Temple" you'll even see a video of the whole thing - courtesy of the folks at the HBO series.

And whatever you do, remember that good grown men paid 10% and more of their income so they could learn that spell about healthy navels, marrowed bones and strong loins and sinews.

And if you ask me, they got took.

Amen.

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Posted by: Elohim ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:04AM

So Sorry, child...

Here is a link to the real Big Love video. It appears that Marlin Jensen has been busy obfuscating search engine results for the curious such as yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLGRqALg8Q4&feature=related

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Posted by: liberalbutteffer ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:10AM

Holy crap. Is that the actual LDS temple ceremony or is it the FLDS or whatever other sect's ceremony? It's so creepy.

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Posted by: Elohim ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:19AM

It's authentic. Though I don't know if they really throw people out of the celestial rooms after 15 minutes. That part I've never experienced myself.

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:36AM

I've heard friends complain about how they were hurried out of the Celestial Room and you how you aren't allowed to linger like in the olden days. I watched the Big Love Episode - it's very authentic except the people look more animated than Mormons look in the temple. Mormons in the temple look more robotic and less happy.

Oh, and the temple apron is green, not blue. But it's right on target other than that.

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 11:56AM

It is what I longed to do--thought I could find life answers there. I'd go through that stupid endowment session and then they'd rush me out. The attitude of the workers is not "reverence"--it is like being on an assembly line.

I saw that Big Love episode and after not going to the temple for a good 10 years, it shocked me at how cult-like it is. Blew my mind that I participated.

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Posted by: ymountain ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 01:16AM

Liberalbutteffer? HAHAHAHAHA!! I love it!

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Posted by: ginger ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 11:52AM

I know, I laugh every time I see that screen name! So funny!

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 01:04AM

new name (which will also be given to every other female who goes through the temple that day, though they won't tell you that) and I can guarantee that it won't be "Pinche."

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 01:12AM

Thanks catnip, I forgot that part. I'm actually kinda proud I forgot that part. It's been years...I actually quit going to the temple long before I quit going to the church. Such a waste of time and so boring. And there was no one to babysit the kids unless I felt like shelling out for a sitter.

As you are leaving the locker room, you go out through a small room, about the size of a shower, with two curtains - one on either side. You enter through one and leave through another. An old lady (or man if you are in the men's room) stands uncomfortably close to you and reads from a card, giving you a new name for and on behalf of the person whose proxy work you are doing. You have to remember the name you are given because it's one of the passwords in the endowment and necessary to get through the veil.

I also didn't post about washings and annointings that you do if you are getting your own endowment because I haven't been through the temple since they changed it. When I went through, you still had to get naked under a poncho while some stranger anointed you with oil and water at various places on your body. Nowadays, there is no touching but someone else will have to talk about that.

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: February 23, 2012 01:11AM

That's why I simply HAD to make the comment!!!

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Posted by: SarahDee ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 11:08AM

Holy crap! I was never even curious about that video. I don't know that I was ever kicked out after 15 minutes, but I don't think I ever tried to stay in there for 15 minutes, either. I never had anything like that "delicious feeling" that I wanted to soak up. I wanted to put my clothes back on and go get lunch.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:44AM

When it comes to the celestial room, 15 minutes is what you get. No time for eternity in that room.
It's actually the shortest time frame of any mormon doings I can think of. Ironic.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:48AM

agree; Nothing official is available about what happens, so it's a lot of rumors/scuttlebutt.

It has frequently been billed as 'thoughtful' and 'contemplative', BUT IT'S NOT.

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Posted by: charles, buddhist punk ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 12:53AM

Dear Heavenly Father Elohim,

Yes, it's true that you are hurried out of the Celestial room by both patron and matron. Doesn't matter the gender, they want you out asap and NOT 15 minutes. I once wondered what they were so afraid I'd do in there, WHO I'd see or WHAT I'd find. Now I know it's so that you don't have time to sit and wonder "What the fuck just happened in there? Am I tripping balls or what?".

In the name of thy son, Jehovah. Amen and amen.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2012 12:54AM by charles, buddhist punk.

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Posted by: icanseethelight ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 09:53AM

I have never been hurried out of the Celestial Room. I have sat there for a half hour. But people are scared to talk to me.

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Posted by: forbiddencokedrinker ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 10:19AM

You swear a bunch of oaths to Mormonism, but these oaths are so sacred that they do not reveal them to you, until after you have sworn that you will swear to them.

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Posted by: RPackham ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 10:51AM

All you need to know: "Mormon Temples and Temple Rituals" http://packham.n4m.org/temples.htm

Or see the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=948605920993957621

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Posted by: runningyogi ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 03:11PM

A Jacuzzi and glass of wine would have been a nice touch in Celestial room!

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 07:39PM

It's not a very good movie. The tickets are way over priced.

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Posted by: chimes ( )
Date: February 22, 2012 08:04PM

Until maybe the early 1970's?? the session was not a movie, not on film; but it was live. Temple workers were actors playing the part of Elohim, Satin, etc. And it lasted quite a bit longer.

Also, it was signs, tokens, and penalties. Before the watered-down changes were made in 1990? each patron had to indicate the penalties by agreeing to have his throat slashed or bowels cut out if caught being a covenant breaker. Others can elaborate.......but many were wierded-out by such creepy nonsense.

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Posted by: drjekyll ( )
Date: February 23, 2012 12:56AM

Well, if the Morg is truly inspired, then they should be carrying out "fantasy BBQ sauce endowments" as described in my "KFC Temple open for business, finger-lickin' good in so many ways! ;)" post.

WARNING/DISCLAIMER ON MY PART, I realize that you are not an adult, however, I also am not stupid enough to believe that anyone at 15 is totally naive, so I do want to say that my post, although it is kinda risque, does point out a similar mentality to what Joseph Smith must have had in devising his plan for polygamy which allowed him to marry women younger than you!

If my post leads you to imagine some crazy stuff that could have been going on in the early temples, (which IMHO, probably did, given the fact that they were like Joseph Smith's private clubhouses and he was running around with so many women) then please don't blame me too much for it! Ok, with that, I'm washing my hands of this situation, BBQ sauce and all.

As far as what currently goes on in the temples: Your parents and other TBMs who have temple recommends go there to watch either a movie or a play with live actors (depending on what is available at each particular temple, the live actors version is called a "live endowment") which depicts God creating the universe and planet earth and is kind of like a play based on the creation story and life and times of Adam and Eve as described in Genesis, but with tons of additions and modifications made up by Joseph Smith to tell the story of the Creation and what he thought Adam and Eve were up to both while living in the Garden of Eden and after being sent out to the "Lone and Dreary World". They run into a lot of characters during the story, including Satan and Peter, James, and John. Satan tries to tempt them and scare them while they are going about there business building altars and worshipping God, and the 3 apostles show up kind of like heros to save the day by telling Satan to get the heck outta there. Then they deliver messages and teach Adam and Eve stuff that they are supposed to know, which is kind of where the attention turns to the people in the audience and they are told that they are being taught the same stuff that Peter, James, and John, as angelic messengers, taught Adam and Eve while they were living on Earth. Basically what the audience is taught is how to put on these aprons, robes, sashes, and hats in different ways as if they were specific uniforms worn by priests and priestesses of different levels in the priesthood. They are also taught some secret handshakes that are supposed to be used when a person dies and tries to get into Heaven. It's taught that there will literally be some guards on the way who you'll have to give the secret handshakes to otherwise you'll be turned away and not be allowed to enter into the Celestial kingdom. Specifically, there are four different secret handshakes that you need to now. Also, you are taught secret "signs" that you need to know, which are kind of like different cheerleading poses (that's how I kind of think about it) that you need to strike. Each secret handshake is related to a secret sign (or chearleading pose) and is also specific name that goes along with these handshakes (also called tokens) and signs. Now when they talk about temple covenants, they are referring to the fact that in the ceremony, it is explained that you have to make specific promises/covenants and swear to keep/obey them before you are allowed to be taught each of the name/handshake/sign combinations that you'll need to know in order to answer all the questions that angels guarding the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom will test you on. The covenants are things like: keeping the commandments, dedicating your life and belongings to the church, keeping the law of chastity, etc. While watching the movie or play, people are just sitting down in their chairs in white clothing (at the beginning and as the meeting progresses they start to put on the other temple clothing: apron, robe, sash, hat), but when they are making the covenants and being taught the name/token/sign combinations, they stand up and make the promise by putting their right arm to the square, bowing their head and saying "YES". Once they do that a temple worker walks around and gives each of them the handshake and another worker talks about its name and shows them the sign/cheerleading pose. Once they have gone through all of the covenants (and everyone has bowed their heads and said "YES" while holding their arm to the square) and the four sets of handshakes/names/signs combinations, then they are also taught what is called "The true order of prayer". When they do this, some of the audience are invited to gather in a circle around the altar in alternating boy-girl fasion and they make all the signs and then each couple join hands with one hand using the last handshake they were taught (its called "the patriarchal grip", and BTW that's the handshake you hold your fiance with while the temple marriage ceremony is performed, so it kind of has a powerful mystique surrounding it and is thought of being a particularly important secret handshake) and they put their other arm to the square and rest it on their neighbor's shoulder. Then a temple worker kneels at the altar and says a prayer is pretty standard, although I don't think it has to be word for word like the rest of the ceremony is. He asks for blessings on the prophet and other GAs, missionaries, members and especially for people whose names have been submitted to the temple on little pieces of paper that he has in a little sachel that sitting directly on the altar. The prayer ends with "Amen" as usual. The main difference between regular prayers given at church meetings and this one is the fact that people are in a circle, around an altar, joining hands and raising their arm to the square in this big connected circle while someone kneels at the altar and offers the prayer.

I skipped past the "initiatories" which are ceremonial cleansing and anointings that are done before you ever go see the movie/play, but you only have to do that one time, unless you are doing it vicariously for dead people. Most TBMs go to the temple for the movie/endowment session that I just talked about rather than bothering with doing the initiatories. The initiatories are the ceremonies where you would get naked and just have a sheet on, like a sarape, with just a hole in the middle for your head and then it drapes over your shoulders and they "wash" you by wiping some water on various parts of your body while reciting some instructions/blessings to you and then repeat the same thing except they wipe you with consecrated olive oil on the same parts of your body and recite some similar instructions/blessings. The initiatories are done in an area near the locker room so you don't have to walk very far while just wearing the sheet and they are done in this little cubicle where you actually do move around with a temple worker from spot to spot while they do the various "washings" and "anointings".

If you really want detail, there are transcripts of what is said and done for all of the different ceremonies available online, although the GAs are not happy about that, since all of this stuff is supposed to be kept secret.

The important thing to know is that the temple is not like sacrament meeting. All of the ceremonies are word-for-word the same every time you go, unless the GAs make official changes to the ceremonies. You won't hear talks or testimonies, just word-for-word ceremonies. That's why the movie version of the endowment became so popular over the live play version, because people didn't have to worry about memorizing lines and stuff. So they just use a movie and a recored voice for some of the other parts that plays over the speakers and the temple workers only have to memorize a few parts that deal with them interacting directly with each audience of temple goers.

Some other interesting tidbits about the temple are: if you don't have your own white suit or dress, slippers and the temple apron, robe, sash and hat, you can rent them inside and they have a little laundry room window that you go up to and ask for your stuff and they ring you up on a little cash register. If you get hungry there is usually a cafeteria inside to buy a meal at and eat in (I don't know if the smaller temples have cafeterias, but all of the ones I've been to did as far as I can remember). And at the entrance you do have to show your temple recommend at kind of a security checkpoint and they do have "security personnel" assigned who would escort you out if you're a troublemaker trying to get in without a recommend.

Well, that's my best crack at describing what they do in the temple.

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