When I came into the office today I was greeted with the sad news of another mormon youth suicide. Apparently the 16 year old (son of a Bishop) got up in the middle of sacrement and left. When his siblings got home they found him dead. This is in the Moridor, I feel for these kids and how they are never good enough or perfect enough. When will the Mormons wake up and realize that we are all sinners and that the Savior died for us knowing that we would never be perfect. And they think they are Christians, they have know idea what the Savior did for them. So sad.

It happens far too often. Once is too often, to be sure.

My thoughts are with the kid and the family.

I loathe this so-called "church".

So sad. I wonder how many less suicides there would be if these kids could just be loved for who they are and not expected to constantly measure down to the Mormon church's impossibly low standards.

I know there can be other reasons for suicide, but I also know first hand how horrific the pressure to be the perfect mormon child was as a son of a bishop from when I was nine and including all of my teens. Two of my brothers ended up with severe alcohol and drug problems because they couldn't take it and rebelled. They just wanted to be known as anything but "the bishop's kid".

I lived in mortal fear that any of my secrets would be found out.

Such a beautiful world, but at that age, forced to wear those mormon blinders, the world can look pretty bleak if being TBM isn't your talent.

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> Such a beautiful world, but at that age, forced to
> wear those mormon blinders, the world can look
> pretty bleak if being TBM isn't your talent.

You said that so beautifully, blueorchid. Only a certain way of being is allowed. I hate this about the church more an anything. It is the root evil of Mormonism--that desire for conformity and sameness. I burn white-hot at it. Soulless fucking bastards.

Poor kid. If he could have lasted a few more years he might have figured it out.

So sad. The pressure of being a youth in the church is intense. My heart goes out to the family for the suffering they are going through.

saddest news, so young, so confused, lead by manipulating adults that lead by horrible examples. holding onto primitive ideas.

When will this stop. This is so sad.

The Mormon church needs its achillies taken out. It is ruining people's lives because of fear that it heavily instills. It ruined my life too(I am just now starting to put pieces in the right place, 3 years later) and the church turns a blind eye. It is so sick.

My son has a friend who is a total, naive Peter priesthood. One day last fall, this friend came to school just devastated because his favorite cousin had tried to kill himself over the weekend. This cousin was an LDS teen too - fortunately he didn't succeed with his suicide attempt. But the pressure on the kids from these "exemplary" families is often worse than the "just regular" LDS kids and far worse than even the inactives they are trying to "save." And I was so sad for my son's friend as well - I wonder if he even knew stuff like that occurred with LDS teens, much less in his own family. It just makes me sick.

This is sad because I've noticed how much Mormon's act like they have to be perfect all the time. Stuff like this makes me question religion itself. According to a news article I read a few weeks ago, the happiest countries in the world are run by athiests.

It really is a tragedy. The pressure these kids are under. One of my earliest memories is being 7yrs old and I brought a friend to Primary. He didn't like it, so on the way home I told him he didn't have to go again if he didn't want to. When my Dad found out what I had done, he took me down into the basement and beat me with a 2 x 4. I couldn't sit down for a week. That type of treatment continued for me until I was a teenager. By then I had been indoctrinated by fear, not love & I missed the rest of my life...the way it could have been, the things I could have done, until I finally had the courage to get out about a month ago and send my letter in to Church Headquarters. They do not control me any more. Which makes me happy but I am also pissed because now I'm 40 & and there is no way for me to get back all those years.

This is so very sad. I am aware of two individuals that took their own lives. So many things could be said but I am just so very saddened when I read this.

How sad. Was he gay?

On the debate on rather humans are basically good or evil, it is often forgotten that the majority of "sin" is only labeled so because of the prejudices and superstitions of people who died millennium ago. Much of the rest, is only sin due to the prejudices and superstitions of the living who do not understand the subject matter.

No one should feel guilty because of their sexual orientation, their sex drive, their curiosity with porn, or their fulfilling of their genetic programming by engaging in a consenting adult relationship with another, without getting approval from their clergy first.

This is just the tip of the ice burg though. If you were to take every sin, everything that we are told is a sin, and should make us feel ashamed, there is very little that is truly awful. Of those few dark things that remain, like steeling or the taking of another life, even then we find situations where a rational human being would have to act contrary to the rules of a society. A lost hiker who finds an unoccupied cabin full of supplies, or a man defending his home from an intruder.

There is only one true commandment. "Thou shall not act as a d-bag." Follow that commandment, and try to stay on the right side of the law, and you will never have anything that you need to feel ashamed. Unless the intruder you shot was just a lost hiker who was looking for life saving supplies.

Big +1. The word sin is just another control device meant to make you fear judgement. It is crippling, not empowering.

There is real wrong, like intentionally and unjustifiably hurting someone, but other than that there are only actions and the results of those actions.

I really like your post.

I attempted suicide 3 times while LDS. I went on a mission, graduated from BYU (with honors), but always felt that I was never good enough. Part of it was knowing that no many how many meetings I went to, how many times I read the BoM, I was still going to be gay.

Eventually I realized I'm just fine the way I am - the mormon church was the one with all the problems. Luckily for me my TBM parents love me unconditionally. They never, ever gave up on me, and that's what saved my life. I wanted to end it all so many times, but I couldn't stand the thought of inflicting that kind of pain on my loving parents.

I feel so bad for all these mormon kids whose parents choose the church over them. If my parents were like that I'd have been in my grave for 20 years now.

You are so lucky to have such accepting parents. Neither of my kids show any gay tendencies and I accept them no matter what decisions they make in life.

Very Sad. Somehow someway I hope that People, at least some, will wake up from this in Mormondom. The System is harmful even if it doesn't appear.



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My cousin believed in Mormonism but couldn't handle the lifestyle. I wonder if he hated himself when tied the cord around his neck.

Wonder what my neighbor (worked for CES) was thinking when he sent his family off to church one Sunday and suck started a shotgun while they were in sac meeting.
Wasn't gay.. he was just not good enough.

Oh my gosh! I was somewhat listening to the YW president blathering about there not being a need to not feel good about yourself and it's okay to feel good about yourself in between trips to the bathroom to s.hit myself clean for a medical procedure tomorrow. Eh WHAT?

Believe me, I'm not trying to lesson about this suicide. It is so tragic. I just thought the YW president having to say that it's okay to love yourself was rather creepy.

First and foremost what a devastating thing for this family. So heartbreaking.

Coulda been any number of things weighing this kid down. I'm a teacher. I've lost two students to suicide in the last three years.

We simply don't know what demons these kids were fighting. Doesn't seem right to log a few words of sympathy and then start the blame game with virtually no information about this kid other than he was mormon.

Neither of my students were actively religious. It just seems that if I concluded, "How sad, if they would just have had "x" religion in their life this never would have happened. What an awful thing that so many non-religious kids kill themselves every year."

Of course mormonism can be a mind fuck and may well have been a factor. News flash though. Life can be a mind fuck! Some times religion is the culprit sometimes it's the antedote.

Thoughts and prayers to this family. Cannot fathom their pain right now. Hope they aren't being bombarded with a bunch of experts who are certain they know why their son is gone.