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Posted by: fetching49 ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 12:48AM

It's almost Easter and my first since leaving behind the church. I'm feeling a little sad. I also felt this way over Christmas. I was never huge into celebrating before but I keep having that feeling I did as a kid when I learned the Tooth Fairy wasn't real-seriously bummed and kinda pissed. We're still planning on doing a few fun things with the kids like dying eggs and candy but as an adult seeing the religious paraphanelia everywhere it's a glaring reminder that my fairytale is gone.



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Posted by: dclarkfan1 ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 12:59AM

The only thing gone is the fairy tale of what Mormonism was. That doesn't mean that just because you no longer believe in Mormonsim, doesn't mean you have lost your faith. Keep that in mind.

I made my final visit to the church around this time last year. I still have my faith in God and Christ, the one thing that the LDS church could not take from me.

Go on and dye your eggs, hide your candy, celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (If that is what you want).

Don't let thoughts of the LDS church, take away what Easter is really about, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, not praising Joseph Smith.

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Posted by: angelina5 ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 01:06AM

Dclark, HOW did you dissociate your mormon view of God post LDS membership?? This is so hard for me. I still love God and Christ but I still feel that He is unhappy with me leaving the Church.

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Posted by: ontheDownLow ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 02:04AM

angelina5: It all depends on what one has discovered in addition to the fraud of JS and his bs religion.

JS managed to defraud religion on the whole.

The fact that no pleagues beseiged him have convinced me that its all crap.

In addition to scientific evidence that shows the earth is much older, and that the egyptians survived the great flood and so forth.

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Posted by: dclarkfan1 ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 02:45AM

Answer: I have always had my faith in Jesus Christ and God even before I joined the LDS church. Though I learned through the LDS church that the Jesus Christ and God I believed in all these years, didn't exist in their views. When they started singing praises of Joseph Smith instead of Christ on Easter, is when I finally said they have gone too far, and I cashed in the chips.

I left the teachings of the LDS church behind, but I took Jesus Christ and God with me. Free to learn about Their everlasting love for man. EVERY man, woman, and child, no matter if you are black, white, jewish, what have you.

When I walked out of the LDS church, I left the LDS beliefs behind, not my believe in Christ or God.

People don't understand that I still love Christ and God as much as I did when I joined the LDS church. I say this "I fell for the LDS church just like anyone would fall for a cult. I'm no longer LDS, but it never shook my faith in Christ or God."

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Posted by: honestone ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 01:13AM

I agree...don't let your disappointment in Mormonism where Easter wasn't celebrated dampen your desire to have that warm feeling on the most religious day for the Christians.

Attend another church on that day to see if maybe you really would find a home there. YOU won't know til you try it. Some people say they think God is angry that they left THE church. Only Mormons think their buildings are THE church. The church is the people in it. YOU were not happy with those people and their beliefs. So find another if you still believe in Christ.



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Posted by: frankie ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 02:05AM

very true. getting rid of the bad mormonism and keeping the true gospel of jesus always makes me feel happy

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 01:04AM

It's spring! Winter is ending! Yay! (unless you're a skier)
But if not, get out the grill and the patio furniture and celebrate it with your kids.
If you are a skier, it's over til next year.

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Posted by: fetching49 ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 01:31AM

I respect those of you who could leave Mormonism and still maintain firm faith in God and Christ. I really do. For me, I think it's far too early to make the conclusion that they do exist. After leaving the church I began doing what I should have done a long time ago-studying the Bible-it's origins, transformations, etc. Maybe one day I will have faith again but like many posters in this forum I'm finding more problems than solutions with religion in general.

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Posted by: rodolfo ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 01:41AM

fetching49 Wrote:
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> but like many posters in
> this forum I'm finding more problems than
> solutions with religion in general.

My experience as well. One thing is crystal clear, if there is a god supposedly promoting a one truth, he is doing a piss-poor job of it. In fact based on the numbers his performance is actually WORSE than the management of LDS, Inc., whose only job is to figure out how to attract members, but who have chased away four times as many members as they have kept. They would have long ago been fired from any other gig with this performance.

The only other conclusion is that god doesn't really care what people believe.

Or of course the third option.

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Posted by: onendagus ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 01:39AM

Eastre is the celebration of the Norse Goddess! Be glad and celebrate new beginnings! Way better than the sad Jewish Mythology any day.

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 09:55PM

I'm an atheist, but I still enjoy the cultural aspects of Easter/Spring Equinox, thanks to my pagan past. I love making a roasted lamb leg and all the spring fixins'.

It's fun to dye eggs and decorate the house. It's sweet to see the excitment on children hunting for eggs in their cute new clothes. If you're a Christian, look at this year as a chance to REALLY celebrate what your saviour did. Go nuts and make new and happy memories.

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Posted by: foxystoner ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 01:42AM

Maybe new traditions? An easter cocktail? Christmas visits to a homeless shelter?

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Posted by: fetching49 ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 05:07AM

I wasn't raised in a relgious or spiritual home so I didn't have any kind of faith before converting to Mormonism. I took to it so rapidly because it seemed to offer all the answers I was looking for easily laid out for me. Essentially I was a sitting duck for those missionaries.
I'm sure trial and error will decide which new holiday traditions will work best for us but this year I have decided to keep things simple and do what we normally do minus church. The bigger issue I make of doing "non-Mormon" things the harder life will be for everyone.



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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 05:41AM

You have to remember that people have had celebrations long before Christianity came along. Christmas was grafted onto the Roman celebration of Saturnalia. There have always been celebrations to welcome the return of Spring. Easter eggs, rabbits etc. are not Christian elements but pagan elements.

Go ahead, celebrate, and enjoy.

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Posted by: jan ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 07:26AM

Our neighborhood association is hosting an Easter event. Easter egg hunts for kids, pot lucks for adults, generally an opportunity to come together as a community and enjoy our neighbors. A non-denominational Christian church near us hosts what they call a Spring Fling on Easter Sunday afternoon. Jumping castles for kids, booths and Easter egg hunts. Family fun without heavy religious trappings.

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Posted by: Anonymous User ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 07:58AM

No problem, go and see your Bishop, tell him you're sorry, pay up the back tithing you owe and all will back as it was in Fairy Tale land.

If that doesn't tickle your fancy then get off your maudling ass and have some Easter fun with your friends and work colleagues.

It won't come to you, you have to go and get it.

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Posted by: Stunted ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 02:17PM

It stuck with me for a while after I left too. For the first couple of years it almost felt like like was in a battle with my wife and kids over the religious celebrations but I loved Christmas so what was I supposed to do?

Now that I have a few years between me and my apostasy it's much easier. I focus on the reasons Christianity Hijacked those celebrations in the first place. Christmas/Saturnalia/solstice Easter/Spring/Equanox. Believe it or not, these celebrations now mean more to me than they did as a Mormon. I no longer have to view them through a religious filter, I've made them mine for my own reasons.

The science of the movement of heavenly bodies is fascinating. The cycle of the seasons and watching the changes in the trees in the yard never gets old for me. I'm no longer limited to what Mormons or Christians dictate about the changes in seasons and how they related to religious observations and dogma.

You don't have to give up Easter, just make it your own.

Stunted

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Posted by: atheist&happy:-) ( )
Date: March 13, 2012 03:09PM

of Easter goes back beyond xstianity, and reaches across cultures, because the spring equinox is an event shared by the entire world.

http://atheism.about.com/od/easterholidayseason/p/PaganChristian.htm

Is Easter a Christian or Pagan Holiday? Unpacking the Pagan Elements of Easter
By Austin Cline, About.com Guide

Christian Easter vs. Pagan Easter:

Easter is the oldest Christian holiday, but how much of the most public and common celebrations of Easter today remain Christian in nature? Many people go to church — far more than go the rest of the year — but what else? Easter candy isn’t Christian. The Easter bunny isn’t Christian. Easter eggs aren’t Christian. Most of what people commonly associate with Easter is pagan in origin; the rest is commercial. Just as American culture secularized Christmas, it’s secularizing Easter.

Spring Equinox:

Pagan roots of Easter lie in celebrating the spring equinox, for millennia an important holiday in many religions. Celebrating the beginning of spring may be among the oldest holidays in human culture. Occurring every year on March 20, 21, or 22, the spring equinox is the end of winter and beginning of spring. Biologically and culturally, it represents for northern climates the end of a “dead” season and the rebirth of life, as well as the importance of fertility and reproduction.

Easter & Zoroastrianism:

The earliest reference we have to a similar holiday comes to us from Babylon, 2400 BCE. The city of Ur apparently had a celebration dedicated to the moon and the spring equinox which was held some time during our months of March or April. On the spring equinox Zoroastrians continue to celebrate “No Ruz,” the new day or New Year. This date is commemorated by the last remaining Zoroastrians and probably constitutes the oldest celebration in the history of the world.

Easter & Judaism:

It is believed that the Jews derived their spring equinox celebrations, the Feast of Weeks and Passover, in part from this Babylonian holiday during the period when so many Jews were held captive by the Babylonian empire. It is likely that the Babylonians were the first, or at least among the first, civilizations to use the equinoxes as important turning points in the year. Today Passover is a central feature of Judaism and Jewish faith in God.

Fertility and Rebirth in the Spring:

Most cultures around the Mediterranean are believed to have had their own spring festivals: whereas in the north the vernal equinox is a time for planting, around the Mediterranean the vernal equinox is a time when the summer crops begin to sprout. This is an important sign of why it has always been a celebration of new life and a triumph of life over death.

Gods Dying and Being Reborn:

A focus of spring religious festivals was a god whose own death and rebirth symbolized the death and rebirth of life during this time of the year. Many pagan religions had gods who were depicted as dying and being reborn. In some legends this god even descends into the underworld to challenge the forces there. Attis, consort of the Phrygian fertility goddess Cybele, was more popular than most. In other cultures he acquired different names, including Osiris, Orpheus, Dionysus, and Tammuz.

Cybele in Ancient Rome:

Worship of Cybele started in Rome around 200 BCE, and a cult dedicated to her was even located in Rome on what is today Vatican Hill. It appears that when such pagans and early Christians lived in close proximity, they usually celebrated their spring festivals at the same time — pagans honoring Attis and Christians honoring Jesus. Of course, both were inclined to argue that only theirs was the true God, a debate which hasn’t even been settled to this day.

Ostara, Eostre, and Easter:

Currently, modern Wiccans and neo-pagans celebrate “Ostara,” a lesser Saabbat on the vernal equinox. Other names for this celebration include Eostre and Oestara and they are derived from the Anglo-Saxon lunar Goddess, Eostre. Some believe that this name is ultimately a variation on the names of other prominent goddesses, like Ishtar, Astarte, and Isis, usually a consort of the gods Osiris or Dionysus, who are depicted as dying and being reborn.

Pagan Elements of Modern Easter Celebrations:

As you might be able to tell, the name “Easter” was likely derived from Eostre, the name of the Anglo-Saxon lunar goddess, as was as the name for the female hormone estrogen. Eostre’s feast day was held on the first full moon following the vernal equinox — a similar calculation as is used for Easter among Western Christians. On this date the goddess Eostre is believed by her followers to mate with the solar god, conceiving a child who would be born 9 months later on Yule, the winter solstice which falls on December 21st.

Two of Eostre’s most important symbols were the hare (both because of its fertility and because ancient people saw a hare in the full moon) and the egg, which symbolized the growing possibility of new life. Each of these symbols continues to play an important role in modern celebrations of Easter. Curiously, they are also symbols which Christianity has not fully incorporated into its own mythology. Other symbols from other holidays have been given new Christian meanings, but attempts to do the same here have failed.

American Christians continue to generally celebrate Easter as a religious holiday, but public references to Easter almost never include any religious elements. Christians and non-Christians alike celebrate Easter in decidedly non-Christian ways: with chocolate and other forms of Easter candy, Easter eggs, Easter egg hunts, the Easter bunny, and so forth. Most cultural references to Easter include these elements, most of which are pagan in origin and all of which have become commercialized.

Because these aspects of Easter are shared by both Christians and non-Christians, they constitute the common cultural recognition of Easter — the specifically religious celebrations of Christians belong to them alone and are not part of the wider culture. The shift of religious elements away from the general culture and into Christians churches has been occurring over many decades and isn’t quite complete.

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Posted by: fetching49 ( )
Date: March 14, 2012 12:19AM

Thank You for all the kind words of support and suggestions. It was very kind of you atheist&happy:-) to take the time to educate me on the origins of Easter pre-Jesus in so many ways. I'm going to do some more research and find a fun pagan tradition to include this year and start teaching my kids the real origins of holidays. Thanks again everybody! :)



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