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Posted by: archaeologymatters ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 01:08AM

She has doubts about the current church leadership and some things in the church past, but she believes the Book of Mormon is God's word. She brings up all the usual arguments about Joseph Smith's lack of education. Too bad, I hope she'll crack in the next few years. A seed of doubt is certainly there, just a matter before she gets over the rest of it.

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Posted by: jan ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 01:37AM

archaeologymatters Wrote:
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she believes the Book of Mormon is God's word.

Has she ever actually READ it?

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Posted by: rosemary ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 02:33AM

Does Heavenly Father truly want that badly for us to be bored that many hours of our lives?

It might sound like I'm joking (and I am, a little) but seriously. . . does "He"? He can't give us something more engaging to learn of his wisdom?

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Posted by: canadianfriend ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 08:12AM

Smith ran for president. His "lack of education" means nothing.

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Posted by: Suckafoo ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 08:43AM

This explains well how it got written
http://mormonthink.com/mormonstudiesreview2.htm

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 01:20PM

Actually, it explains it. Along with him crowning himself King of Israel. Can't wait for Steve Benson to forward that tidbit to his friends at the Jewish Defense League.

I wonder how the Evangelical Christian community would look upon the Mormon founder usurping the title mockingly given on the cross "King of the Jews."


Anagrammy

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 08:24AM

Believing the BoM is non-fiction is right up there with believing the earth is flat.

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 08:34AM

It really looks like ancient scripture when formatted into chapters and verses, two columns, copious footnotes, and stately fonts. The fake King James Bible language helps too. I bet you could get the same effect if The Silmarillion were formatted into a leatherbound book and printed like that with vertical Elvish in the margins.

I think your friend is on her way out. If she doubts the leaders, it won't be much of a stretch to figure out that the Book of Abraham is a hoax, which will then extend to the Book of Mormon.

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Posted by: onendagus ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 12:54PM

I would concentrate on the things that bug her and point out similar events. People have so many different reasons for leaving. The things that bugged you and got you to wake up might not be effective on your friend.

@Makaruso
Love the Silmarillion analogy! I love LOTR but not sure which is more boring the bom or the Silmarillion.

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Posted by: Makurosu ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 01:09PM

It grows on you though, once you learn the mythology. I didn't like it at all the first time I read it, and I still think Lord of the Rings is by far the better book. But I would love to have a copy of the Silmarillion in a beautifully bound leather book with artwork in the margins.

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Posted by: kimball ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 01:24PM

Have you introduced her to the Spaulding-Rigdon theory? There really is no sound case against it, other than the fact that it's a theory.

http://sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1.htm

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Posted by: saviorself ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 01:28PM

The Book of Mormon is the cornerstone of the Mormon Church. The BoM describes events that allegedly happened over two thousand years ago. Archaeology is a branch of science whose purpose is to study such ancient history. Encarta (online dictionary) defines it as "the scientific study of ancient cultures through the examination of their material remains such as buildings, graves, tools, and other artifacts usually dug up from the ground."

The world's foremost authority on archaeology is the Smithsonian Institution. A few years ago, some LDS believers circulated a false story claiming that the Smithsonian was using the Book of Mormon as a guide book. The Smithsonian decided to refute that misconception by publicly issuing the following statement:

STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON

1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern. central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World - probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age - in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

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Posted by: archaeologymatters ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 02:08PM

Thanks for all your posts. I did not really pose a question, and was more just posting out of frustrating for her, but I am glad people chimed in.

It is funny the things that make different people leave and what holds them in. For me The Book of Mormon was central in me leaving. I knew it was fiction, and did not buy the Joseph Smith story at all. Funny how that keeps people in.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 02:36PM

Point out that Joseph Smith had over three times the formal education of a well-known contemporary of his--Abraham Lincoln.

Point out that Joseph Smith's father had worked as a school teacher.

Point out that Joseph Smith's brother was on the local school board.

Point out that Joseph Smith's mother, in her biographical sketches, emphasizes that they did not neglect the education of their children.

Now what's all this crap about Joseph's lack of education?

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Posted by: judyblue ( )
Date: April 19, 2012 03:20PM

Hans Christian Anderson stopped attending school at 14. Jane Austen quit school at 11. Charlie Chaplin dropped out of elementary school. So did Charles Dickens. Walt Disney was a high school dropout, as was William Faulkner.

I don't think JS wrote the BoM on his own. But even if he had, it wouldn't be that unbelievable. After all, compared to the works for those listed above, it isn't exactly literature.

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