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Posted by: Provo Girl ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 02:05AM

In the Good Earth store in Orem, I noticed the only brand of homepathic HCG drops are made by a company located in Murray, Utah. Is this just another Mormon nutritional supplement scam in Utah -- or do these drops really work?

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Posted by: possiblypagan ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 02:10AM

This website has the ONLY way to lose weight and be healthy:

http://www.sparkpeople.com


P.S. It's eating less and exercising (and support from like-minded people)

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 02:51AM

and no, it doesn't work.

Save your money and buy real medicine.

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Posted by: EverAndAnon ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 03:31AM

Worth the time if you haven't seen it before,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U

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Posted by: anon ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 06:07AM

check out the European opinion
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=6146

Don't forget that Utah's Orrin Hatch is an influence in supporting homeopathic markets.

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Posted by: eddie ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 06:08AM

...the spirit testified to me that homeopathy is a true way to be healed. Most people who use homeopathic treatments do not see the benefits in this life. However, the spirit told me that the benefits will definitely be delivered after we die.

Just keep mailing me your checks and have faith.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 10:53AM


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Posted by: anon this time ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 11:05AM

I don't know anything about HCG, but we've used homeopathic Arnica with excellent results. It's great for sprains and bruises. Naysayers can think what you want, but from experience, I know that Arnica really does work.

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 11:23AM

anon this time Wrote:
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> I don't know anything about HCG, but we've used
> homeopathic Arnica with excellent results. It's
> great for sprains and bruises. Naysayers can think
> what you want, but from experience, I know that
> Arnica really does work.

But some people would rather rely on their faith that it doesn't work, because, of course, their faith (which is based on a lack of personal knowledge, aka ignorance) trumps your empirical experience! Isn't it grand? ;oD



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2010 01:22PM by matt.

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Posted by: EssexExMo ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 12:53PM

matt Wrote:
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> anon this time Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't know anything about HCG, but we've used
> > homeopathic Arnica with excellent results. It's
> > great for sprains and bruises. Naysayers can
> think
> > what you want, but from experience, I know that
> > Arnica really does work.
>
> But some people would rather rely on their faith
> that it doesn't work, because, of course, their
> faith (which is based on a lack of person
> knowledge, aka ignorance) trumps your empirical
> experience! Isn't it grand? ;oD

actually you are getting it backwards..... if you don't accept it works, you have a ton of scientific evidence behind you.....if you choose to accept a non-scientific treatment based on a few anecdotes *that* takes faith (and an ignorance of the basis of homoeopathy)

Placebo is a fantastic thing. homoeopathy is nothing but a placebo

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Posted by: anon this time ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 01:02PM

I've used other homeopathics that haven't done anything for me. There was no difference in my level of belief of nonbelief that any of them would work for me. Some have worked for me, others have not. Nothing placebo about them. I've had the same experience with prescription medication. Some work, some don't.

Don't knock it till you try it.

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Posted by: EssexExMo ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 01:31PM

anon this time Wrote:
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> I've used other homeopathics that haven't done
> anything for me. There was no difference in my
> level of belief of nonbelief that any of them
> would work for me. Some have worked for me, others
> have not. Nothing placebo about them. I've had the
> same experience with prescription medication. Some
> work, some don't.
>
> Don't knock it till you try it.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica

Homoeopathic preparations of Arnica are widely marketed and used. In the UK, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency has registered the product for sprains and bruising under the National Rules for Homoeopathic Products (2006). These rules allow claims of efficacy for these conditions to be made on the packaging in the absence of similar evidence to that required for conventional medicines under the Medicines Act 1968 and 1971.[13] A systematic review of clinical trials showed that arnica was no more effective than a placebo.[14] In some quarters, the fact that homoeopathic Arnica has been the subject of published clinical trials at all has drawn criticism grounded on the allegation that the basic premise of the high dilutions used in homoeopathy would be inherently flawed.[15]

With respect to the range of homoeopathic Arnica creams available on the market, these are generally formulated using the mother tincture rather than a dilution, and THEY THEREFORE DO IN FACT CONTAIN MEASURABLE QUANTITIES OF THE MEDICALLY ACTIVE SUBSTANCE [emphasis mine]

if it contains some measurable quantity of ingredient, it aint Homoeopathy

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Posted by: anon this time ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 01:50PM

Experience goes further than all the studies in the world. Open minds are what have moved ahead all advances in science, medicine and natural healing :)

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 01:23PM

onceanelder Wrote:
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> matt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > anon this time Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I don't know anything about HCG, but we've
> used
> > > homeopathic Arnica with excellent results.
> It's
> > > great for sprains and bruises. Naysayers can
> > think
> > > what you want, but from experience, I know
> that
> > > Arnica really does work.
> >
> > But some people would rather rely on their
> faith
> > that it doesn't work, because, of course, their
> > faith (which is based on a lack of person
> > knowledge, aka ignorance) trumps your empirical
> > experience! Isn't it grand? ;oD
>
> actually you are getting it backwards..... if you
> don't accept it works, you have a ton of
> scientific evidence behind you.....if you choose
> to accept a non-scientific treatment based on a
> few anecdotes *that* takes faith (and an ignorance
> of the basis of homoeopathy)
>
> Placebo is a fantastic thing. homoeopathy is
> nothing but a placebo

But what IS a placebo? A doctor friend of mine said: "Placebo is just a fancy way of saying: "fuck knows why this works, but it does!"

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Posted by: EssexExMo ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 01:39PM

matt Wrote:

> But what IS a placebo? A doctor friend of mine
> said: "Placebo is just a fancy way of saying:
> "fuck knows why this works, but it does!"


the brains role in healing is well known and has been observed for many centuries.

Placebos are widely used in medical research and their effect is a factor in most clinical trials of new drugs

If you want to actually find out about the mechanism of the placebo effect. there are many reputable sources you can check without having to ask your verbally challenged doctor friend

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 03:52PM

onceanelder Wrote:
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> matt Wrote:
>
> > But what IS a placebo? A doctor friend of mine
> > said: "Placebo is just a fancy way of saying:
> > "fuck knows why this works, but it does!"
>
>
> the brains role in healing is well known and has
> been observed for many centuries.
>
> Placebos are widely used in medical research and
> their effect is a factor in most clinical trials
> of new drugs
>
> If you want to actually find out about the
> mechanism of the placebo effect. there are many
> reputable sources you can check without having to
> ask your verbally challenged doctor friend

Verbally challenged? Because he used the word 'fuck'?

Here's a clue, onceanelder: People in the real world use lots of different language. And some of it is not "Church approved".

From time-to-time you will see swearing on RFM. Best get used to it.

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Posted by: EssexExMo ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 05:32PM

matt Wrote:
>
> Verbally challenged? Because he used the word
> 'fuck'?
>
> Here's a clue, onceanelder: People in the real
> world use lots of different language. And some of
> it is not "Church approved".
>
> From time-to-time you will see swearing on RFM.
> Best get used to it.


LOL
I have no problem with bad language. I was referencing you 'doctor friend's' inability to give a straight answer to a simple question
"Placebo is just a fancy way of saying: "fuck knows why this works, but it does!" sounds like something a politician might say

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 05:51PM

onceanelder Wrote:
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> matt Wrote:
> >
> > Verbally challenged? Because he used the word
> > 'fuck'?
> >
> > Here's a clue, onceanelder: People in the real
> > world use lots of different language. And some
> of
> > it is not "Church approved".
> >
> > From time-to-time you will see swearing on RFM.
> > Best get used to it.
>
>
> LOL
> I have no problem with bad language. I was
> referencing you 'doctor friend's' inability to
> give a straight answer to a simple question
> "Placebo is just a fancy way of saying: "fuck
> knows why this works, but it does!" sounds like
> something a politician might say

Or a doctor with a cynical sense of humour.

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 11:22AM

I would be very cautious about those drops- The "natural healing" industry is not regulated very well. Your money would probably be put to better use for other items.

Some natural medicines work, but from personal experience, most are a waste of effort and money.

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Posted by: blindmag ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 12:58PM

I use a combination of both modern medicine and homiopathic medicine. If one dosent work the other might.

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Posted by: Skooby ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 03:01PM


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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 04:20PM

If people really understood the profit margin on prescription drugs they would be hanging the politicians and drug company executives from the trees.

The R&D is less than the computer and electronics industry and they can come out with a new product every six months and make money while big pharma sells drugs developed 30 years ago at huge inflated prices.

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Posted by: Skooby ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 04:34PM

Pharmaceuticals works. Worth the money. There was no R&D on homeopathy so their profits are much higher for water that does nothing more than hydrate your tongue.

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 05:55PM

Skooby Wrote:
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> There was no R&D on homeopathy

Now, that's not even true, is it?

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Posted by: Skooby ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 07:02PM

Is it? Studies done after the claim and dissemination to the public do not constitute R&D.

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Posted by: voweaver ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 04:43PM

Arnica is good ONLY as a topical. It's poisonous if ingested in large quantities.

Anyone know what HCG is? If you knew what it was, the ick factor would keep you far, far away.

HCG=Human Chorionic Gonadotropin. It's a hormone manufactured by a particular layer in the embryo during pregnancy, and it's the substance that is detected by pregnancy testing on urine.

It's a type of growth hormone, and it does have legitimate uses. It is questionable as a weight loss drug. And there is little to no HCG in homeopathic preparations.

Do you REALLY want to mess with this stuff?


~VOW

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Posted by: elfling ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 06:06PM

Homeopathy vs. Science - the difference is that if it is science, its results are *reproducible* If people in different labs run the same experiments they will get the same results - with homeopathy, even if it is tested in placebo controlled double-blind studies, no two experiments deliver the same results.

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Posted by: libby ( )
Date: December 04, 2010 06:46PM

Eat right, exercise, drink plenty of water, get enough sleep

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