Hey, I was wondering if participating on this board could get me ex'ed. I am an endowed woman that is not in a position of authority.
What is the least offense for being ex'ed in my situation? I realize that men that have positions of authority are more easily excommunicated... What does a lowly woman need to do (minimum!)
Mia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If they were looking for a way to ex you, > consorting with the enemy might be something they > would use.
I would get up in Fast and Testimony meeting and exclaim: "The Book of Abraham papyrus is a cookbook! Don't let the Melchisedeks fool you. They mean to prepare you for the last supper. You're on the menu!"
By this time, the bishop will have disconnected the mic, and you'll be escorted out of the building. Kicking and screaming optional.
You would probably not get any discipline for posting minimally on this board..If you regularly were disparaging the Lord's annointed and persisted despite being counseled not too you might see an excommunication...
Generally, they do not like to excommunicate. It is hard enough to keep members as it is. Plus, they lose all control over you if you are ex'd. Most people who are ex'd never come back into the church...They like to disfellowship and put on probation though. Those people are easier to control because they are still members and usually kissing ass to get back in good graces...
As a rule though. If you are contrite when caught and are not to devout you won't like;y be ex'd.
Again, your mileage may vary and with all things LDS your Bishop may do as he pleases.
If at a bishop's interview you *ADMIT* to viewing this board and he asks you "Do you believe the things they are teaching ??" First would go the Temple Reccommend and a release from all callings..
"Classification of Associating with an Apostate Group"
Next You would be interrogated to see if you sustain the brethren especially Thomas S Monson as the Prophet and the only person who can dispense priesthood ordinances..
Failing to answer in the afirmative, will get you a stern lecture with the threat of a Bishop's Court to follow..
How heavily is this site patrolled? I think I've been pretty anonymous... but I think someone who knows me could figure it out. If I changed my screen name to my real name and posted a witty, rhyming, version of the temple ceremony would I get a call from a bishop even if I haven't attended church in 3 years?
Again, I'm not trying to get ex'ed... I just want to know how hot the fire I am playing with really is...
A friend of mine who was in a bishopric would often say "the fastest way out of the church is embezzling tithing." I suspect there is some truth to that.
It is at the discretion of the bishop/counselors so you just never know. One pretty good way is to officially create a break off group and have a written statement that the priesthood leaders see claiming to be in charge of the new group.
I really think nowadays someone has to go majorly public with their apostasy to get ex'd. Or be temple married and have an affair (but even that's not 100% - my dad was a philandering pig and was only disfellowshipped for a year after finally confessing).
I think it all depends on the local bishop/SP. Leadership roulette.
If you get as far as a Court of Love, they will try to hurt you emotionally & damage your status with any people left that you might want to try to keep a friendship with. That is if you choose show up for it.
Do you really want that kind of experience?
Just send in your resignation letter and be done with it.
I got ex'd for asking a question to the bishoprick....... It boiled down to a terrible sin on my part because I had the gall to ask a question (questioning the authority of TSCC is very bad indeed!)- I violated the "When the profit speaks, the thinking has been done rule." I asked the bishop about JS's seer stone and hat. That was my question.........and I was 15 at the time! They are so insecure knowing that the entire religion is such a farce that they were afraid of a 15 year old girl with NO authotity at all, so I am the wrong one to ask.....but that is my story. Definite family values - no church has them like the mo's don't.
I don't believe apostasy in and of itself is sufficient to get you excommunicated. Even active and public apostasy isn't sufficient. Grant Palmer wrote and published a book that, whilst being factually correct, was apostate from that which the Church teaches. John Dehlin is another good example of someone publicly taking an apostate position of sorts. Neither of these two Gentlemen have been excommunicated. In the past it may have been enough, but not now.
I think to be excommunicated you would have to be baptised to another religion or commit adultery as an endowed member.
No, I'm talking about explicit public apostasy. I don't think Grant Palmer or John Dehlin fall into that category at all. I'm talking Tanners apostasy.
I'm not aware that anybody from FARMS has been ex'd and they have done far more damage to the Church than the Tanners. In fact, had the Church listened to the Tanners then the image of the Prophet buying forgeries and two deaths from bombing could probably have been avoided.
This board could only result in an excommunication if you were to let it be clearly known who you are by posting under your own name (not a good idea by the way) or by persistently handing out apostate information at Church for the purpose of leading members astray.
That's your subjective opinion. I know a lot of TBMs who would totally disagree with you about FARMS. I'm not talking about relaive textent of damage or having a liberal viewpoint. I'm talking about someone who literally says - hey world the church isn't true!
I have a friend who was told to shut her mouth or be excommunicated. She was questioning but very sincere and she would talk about "gospel" topics with her VT/HT but in a questioning way, Her VT ratted her out to the bishop and she was told by the bishop that she could continue to go to church but she had to keep her mouth shut and she wasn't allowed to talk to any of the members about what she was questioning. Also she was in trouble because she had talked to an anxious confused teenaged boy (a friend of her son's)who didn't want to go on a mission and told him that if he felt that confused and anxious about it and if the thought of it made him sick that maybe a mission wasn't right for him.
She then got a sternly written letter from the stake that basically said if she didn't keep her mouth shut she would face disciplinary action. She said that was her confirmation that the church was not true and she sent the bishop a "you can't fire me, I QUIT" letter before they could try to haul her in front of the "court of love"
I would imagine that if your friend were to write to a General Authority complaining about the letter from the Stake then a quick apology would be forthcoming. Especially if she stated in it that it played a direct part in her leaving the Church.
There is really no minimum offense that will result in excommunication.
Many people have been excommunicated for offenses that are entirely fabricated, because the real offense -- e.g., truth telling -- would be embarassing to the church. Other people have not been excommunicated for offenses that would make sense to most people. For example, the University of Utah professor Sterling McMurrin's "court of love" was cancelled at the express request of his friend David O. McKay, even though McMurrin was a professed atheist.
all you need to do is speak the truth about smith. publicly. maybe in relief society class or something.
they'll summon you.
repeat several times.
probation.
excommunication.
i have to admit that being excommunicated for heresy sounds cool but why the hassle? just stop going to your meetings and then submit one paragraph letter to the LDS cult headquarters and that's it.