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Posted by: Carrots Tomatoes and Radishes ( )
Date: November 16, 2012 05:16PM

I was just hoping for more feedback on this. A lot of Mormons really do believe that leaving the church will kill morality but my whole life I was raised being told why things were bad and not just because I was in the church. When I left the church, my morals weren't tied to the church so they weren't lost along with my membership. My fiancé is a Mormon and although we have a great relationship and she has never judged me or based her love for me on my religion, her parents shunned me a lot and really didn't like me because I wasn't Mormon anymore. But then I went to church with them a couple of times because I knew it would mean a lot to her and her family because although she doesn't worry about my religion, I knew that it would probably put me on a better note with her parents (and the whole time I was there I was thinking...wow...I can't believe I believed this so I just decided to take what I could out of the lessons that had reasonable statements and it made it bearable) but then all of a sudden, her parents loved me! In fact they think I have a great personality but I didn't change the way I acted because of the church, they just finally decided to stop judging me! I have realized that although you don't have to give up your morality with the church, a lot of Mormons really think that they have to do that stuff just because the church says so. How do I explain to someone that you can leave the church and still be a good person? Why in the world do Mormons think that they are the only people in the world with "good morality" (considering that over half of the people in the Mormon church are lacking morals as much as anyone else on this Earth anyway). Why can't they accept that other people teach good morals too? And why don't more people teach good morals anyway?

P.S. I am also hoping that I am not some sort of charity case or a project to her parents and they think they are saving me or something because they would be very sorely disappointed.

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Posted by: Raptor Jesus ( )
Date: November 16, 2012 05:20PM

What are good morals?

Why are they good?

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Posted by: rachel1 ( )
Date: November 16, 2012 05:24PM

A lot of people think you have to be religious and belong to a church to be moral and/or ethical -- this isn't just a morg thing. One friend asked my husband one time how he can possibly have any kind of moral principles if he didn't go to church. His response was that morals are more about a person's character than what church he/she goes to.

Mormons are brainwashed to believe their whole lives that only members of the church are special in the eyes of God. Your fiance's parents believe that if she marries you, you will take her away from their forever family. since you went to church with her family, there is "hope" for you yet in their minds. Don't let them suck you in.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: November 16, 2012 05:44PM

GF parents are having visions of celestial room marriage dance in their head.

Hope springs eternal. They think your heart is being softened and your mind is going to open up and you will marry their daughter for time and all eternity. I've seen this happen more than once.

If you want to test it, try not going to church for a long time. See how things go back to where they were.

Their problem is, their judgement is skewed. They have no judgement. You could be doing all kinds of crappy things and be a horrible person. But if you put on a show and go to church, you're mr. wonderful.

You can be mr. wonderful. and not go to church. They won't have a very high opinion of you.

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: November 16, 2012 06:38PM

It's been proven that people are more likely to skip a big block of text.

Speaking to your point, you are making the assumption that the Mormon church members think. THEY ARE TAUGHT NOT TO THINK!

So their opinions are the opinions of the Brethren who have done the "thinking." Their thinking is actually just pit-digging on competitor religions. They are not interested in starting conversations about the meaning of morality.

Take a look at their most famous sermons, like the famous talk on
"Pride." It was actually plagiarized from a real thinker, C.S. Lewis (and others). Ask a Mormon if he knows the Five Proofs of the Existence of God, a fundamental set of arguments addressing The Great Questions humanity has pondered for thousands of years.

Mormons are not pondering these--or any-- existential or philosophical questions because they are too busy worrying about their own salvation. In other words, they have been pointed away from Great Ideas and more towards not watching porn and not touching their peepee.

Doesn't exactly promote a brain ready to contemplate the nature of morality, if you get my drift.

Meanwhile, why don't you worry about the Great Thoughts that would have influenced you if you hadn't been spending all that time reading Joseph Smith's drivel in the Book of Mormon.

Start with Plato and the Cave. You are in for one fine ride.

Best

Anagrammy

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Posted by: Carrots Tomatoes and Radishes ( )
Date: November 18, 2012 09:59PM

WOW!!!! HAHAHA That almost felt as though he had written that specifically to model after a Mormon coming out of the church! That was almost like an exact metaphoric parallel to that situation!

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: November 17, 2012 09:18AM

They don't know any better. The world outside of Mormonism is a great unknown to them and thus something to be feared. It's Mormonism or chaos in their minds.

They are unconsciously using behavior modification on you. They shun when you act in disapproved ways, but show acceptance and love when you act in approved ways.

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