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Posted by: thetruthhurts ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:06PM

A lot of Mormons are apparently forwarding this around. A relative just sent it my way.... extremely annoying, to say the least. I literally think that my relatives believe this world is coming to an end. I am pasting the email below exactly as I received it.


"On Sunday we had the best stake conference I've ever attended. The Stake President was the concluding speaker. Below is his talk exactly as he emailed it to me today. Sorry for the length but there was nothing I could cut out of it."

The following 2/3/13 stake conference talk is attributed to Stake President Mathew Scott De Visser of the Sandy Utah Hidden Valley Stake:

My dear brothers and sisters, it has been a wonderful conference weekend. I have been inspired by those who have shared their stories and testimonies. I have been equally inspired by the music. I have learned that it is not an easy thing to plan a stake conference. Much fasting, prayer, and deliberation go into it and I have felt the spirit of the Lord guide me in selecting our speakers and topics. I express my appreciation to those who have participated. The spirit of the Lord has been with us in abundance, and I pray that it will continue to be with us as I now address you.

Another year has come and gone, but not just any year – it was the year 2012. A year about which much was speculated, predicted, and some would even argue prophesied. And while the most discussed prediction or prophecy – that of the Mayans concerning the end of the world – did not come to pass, I feel and believe that 2012 will still prove to be one of the more significant years in our life time.

Let’s take a moment and look back at a few things that happened in 2012:
- Gaza fired missiles on Jerusalem causing heightened unrest in the Middle East
- The Director of the CIA, a man considered to be of the highest moral integrity, resigned due to improprieties and adultery
- The UN Ambassador was instructed by the White House to cover up what happened in Libya, attempting to minimize the deaths of four Americans who were murdered
- There was an attempt to raise taxes during the worst economic times since the great depression
- Hurricane Sandy, called the “perfect storm” hit the east coast causing great devastation
- Iran became closer to a nuclear weapon
- The use of marijuana was legalized in Washington and Colorado
- Some states legalized same sex marriage
- 23 states began a petition to secede from the nation
- Russia strengthened its coalitions with North Korea and Iran
- Forces aligned to stop school prayer, but allowed the handing out of birth control
- The government used tax dollars to fund abortions
- Examples of violence, gambling, drug misuse, and infidelity were more prevalent than ever
- Hollywood promoted parenthood without marriage
- Education scores of our youth plummeted to their lowest levels ever
- And finally, we were brought to the edge of the fiscal cliff.

In my opinion, the first 30 days of 2013 have proven to be the same. In fact, my head is spinning at all of the insanity and craziness that is happening in the world. Now, I want to make it clear that it is not my intent today to be controversial, political, or even dire. My intent is to state the facts as I see them, as the Stake President, having been moved upon by the Holy Ghost. When I speak from this pulpit as the Stake President, the primary intent of my voice is one of love and compassion, but I also have an obligation to use my voice as a warning when it is necessary. Today is a day when I choose to use it primarily as a voice of warning, hoping you will realize and understand that it is in love and compassion for you that I do.

Each of us has our agency and we are free to act for ourselves. We are agents unto ourselves and each of us is free to take what I say as he or she will. You may choose to disagree with me. You may even choose to ignore me, but I have been impressed by the spirit to say what I must say.

Never in my life have I witnessed a more stark difference between good and evil than I did in 2012. Never has there been a greater moral, economic, or political decline in society, than there was in 2012 and over the last few years. These climates combined, were as bad in 2012 as they have ever been in the history of the world. The current moral condition of our world and country reminds me of the condition described in Helaman, chapter 5, verse 2, and I quote:

“For their as laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people, and they who chose evil were more numerous than they who chose good, therefore they were ripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted.” End quote.

In 2012 the voice of the people spoke loudly and clearly as it chose:
- Socialism over capitalism
- Entitlements over free enterprise
- Redistribution and regulation over self reliance.

Unfortunate as it is, this should not come as a surprise to any of us who have spent the better part of our lives as members of this church. The scriptures and the prophets have warned us for hundreds of years, and have been trying to prepare us for this time. The scriptural and modern-day prophecies we have read and heard throughout our lives are no longer prophecies to us – they are now our living reality. Let me take a moment and share with you a few of the scriptural and modern-day prophecies and quotes that I find interesting and revealing.

First, on November 9th, 2012 ( just a few months ago) the First Presidency issued the following statement: “We invite Americans everywhere, whatever their political persuasion, to pray for the President, for his administration and the new Congress as they lead us through difficult and turbulent times. May our national leaders reflect the best in wisdom and judgment as they fulfill the great trust afforded to them by the American people.” The most glaring part of this statement, to me, is the acknowledgement from our prophet and the First Presidency that we are living in difficult and turbulent times.
Now, listen carefully to these two quotes. To me, these quotes are fascinating, and they reflect the ability of our leaders to see and predict the future.

In 1976 (this statement was made over 35 years ago) while serving as a President of the Seventy, Neal A. Maxwell said the following: “I fear, that, as conditions worsen, many will react to the failures of too much government by calling for even more government. Then there will be more and more lifeboats launched, because fewer and fewer citizens know how to swim. Unlike some pendulums, political pendulums do not swing back automatically; they must be pushed. History is full of instances when people have waited in vain for pendulums to swing back”.

In 1966 (this statement was made over 45 years ago) while serving as an apostle, Howard W. Hunter said this: “The government will take from the “haves” and give to the “have nots.” [When this happens] Both have lost their freedom. Those who “have,” lost their freedom to give voluntarily of their own free will and in the way they desire. Those who “have not”, lost their freedom because they did not earn what they received. They got “something for nothing,” and they will neither appreciate the gift nor the giver of the gift”.

Now I quote from 2 Timothy chapter 3, verses 1-4: “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God”.

Sound familiar? It does to me, and as the Stake President, I not only see it happening throughout the world, but I also see it happening right here in our stake. These conditions described by Paul concerning the wickedness of the last days, are being realized right before my very eyes. As the Stake President, I see and hear all manner of sin – violence, crime, alcohol and drug abuse, and immorality of every kind. I believe there are not many things left for my eyes to see and my ears to hear. Evil is escalating at an alarming pace even here at home. Just as the Savior prophesied concerning the conditions in the world that would precede his Second Coming: “iniquity does abound, the love of men does wax cold” (JS-Matt. 1:30) and “all things are in commotion; and surely, men’s hearts do fail them, for fear has come upon all people” (D&C 88:91).

I now quote Elder Bednar in a talk he gave one day after the tragic events that occurred only 45 days ago in Connecticut. He said: “We live in a world that grows increasingly confused and chaotic - ever more evil and dark. Nothing could have emphasized that truth more than the tragic events that occurred yesterday in Connecticut.” With his comments, Elder Bednar also quoted recent comments made by President Packer, who said: “The world is spiraling downward at an ever-quickening pace.” Now, pay close attention to this next sentence brothers and sisters – President Packer said: “I am sorry to tell you that it will not get better.” President Packer goes on to say: “I know of nothing in the history of the Church, or in the history of the world to compare with our present circumstances. Nothing happened in Sodom and Gomorrah which exceeds in wickedness and depravity that which surrounds us now. Words of profanity, vulgarity, and blasphemy are heard everywhere. Unspeakable wickedness and perversion were once hidden in dark places; now they are in the open, and even accorded legal protection. At Sodom and Gomorrah these things were localized. Now, they are spread across the world, and they are among us”.

Brothers and Sisters, as I said last year during Ward Conferences – “we are in the count down.” Again, I say to you, that the scriptural and modern-day prophecies we have read and heard all throughout our lives are no longer prophecies to us – they are now our living reality. If there was ever a time in the history of the world for a people to wake up, pay attention, and get it together – now is that time. This is a defining moment for us, and we cannot delay. We need to get our temporal and spiritual houses in order. It is a must. Difficult times are still ahead and we need to be prepared. In my opinion, the last 5 years have put us on notice, and they should serve as a wake-up call in both temporal and spiritual matters. All throughout my life I have been counseled by our church leaders to live within my means and get out of debt. In fact, there was no topic talked about more by President Hinckley, during his time as the Prophet, than living within our means and getting out of debt. As I look back on the last 5 years, it is no wonder to me why he did. We experienced the worst economic, political, and spiritual times in the history of our country, and even globally. The words of President Packer during his visit to our stake 4 years ago still ring loudly in my ears when he mentioned this topic and warned us, by saying: “This time is different. We have not experienced this in the past. This time it is global, and it will be deeper and last longer than anything we have economically and spiritually experienced.”

Today, it is easy for us to reflect upon his words and know that he was right. Many of us would be better served today if we had taken his warning more seriously. For example, from 2008 to 2009 our stake experienced a 150% increase in welfare assistance to its own members. That assistance stayed about the same during 2010 and 2011. In 2012 we saw some improvement, and I am happy to report that we are now only 70% above our pre 2009 level of assistance. While there are some of us who could have done better, all in all, I commend you brothers and sisters. We are one of a few stakes in the entire church that remained a Fast Offering Giver rather than a Fast Offering Receiver during this time – meaning that we were able to meet the temporal needs of our own members and still have a surplus to pass on to the church to assist other stakes. I also want to commend you for following the counsel of your priesthood leader to prayerfully consider a more generous Fast Offering. It is overwhelming to me that during this temporal meltdown you have risen to the occasion and given more generously. I am very pleased to report that over the past 4 years our fast offering contributions have increased by 11%. This is amazing, especially since we now have 1,000 members less in our stake than we did in 2008. So, I thank you brothers and sisters. You are wonderful and I promise the Lord will continue to bless you as you continue to give generously.

Now, while temporal and economic conditions appear to be getting somewhat better, let us not kid ourselves about what is really going on. Any improvement is only temporary, and the conditions we have experienced over the last 5 years will eventually and certainly return, and even get worse. Let us not forget the last 5 years, and let us learn from it. Let us all finally follow the counsel of our prophets to live within our means and get out of debt. It is possible to get out of debt if we live within our means, but it is not if we don’t. Now, not only is temporal preparedness vital for our mortal existence, but it also sets the stage for us to be spiritually prepared. The most important matter for us to consider right now and always is our spiritual preparedness.

Over the past 4 years, it has been a wonderful exercise for me to call upon the Lord for guidance and direction concerning this stake, and in particular the setting of stake goals. It has been an interesting evolution to witness. Let me share with you part of a statement we prepared for all of us this year (a copy of which can be obtained from your bishop): “As the Stake Presidency discussed, pondered, and prayed about our stake goals for 2013, we were impressed by the feeling that goals should be a matter of focus and commitment at a personal level. In conjunction with this direction, we encourage each individual member to set their own goal based on the following question: What goal can I make that will bring me closer to the Savior?

Let me repeat: We encourage each individual member to set their own goal based on the following question: What goal can I make that will bring me closer to the Savior? We trust that as you prayerfully consider and ponder this question, it will be clear to you what your goal should be. We also testify that your personal commitment and discipline to fulfill this goal will indeed bring you closer to the Savior and will give you spiritual strength to remain firm and steadfast in the gospel regardless of the circumstances. We are impressed to share with you one goal you might consider, as you ponder the question: What goal can I make that will bring me closer to the Savior? Spend time each day reading and studying the Book of Mormon.

Two others which are not in the statement but which I would like to also suggest are:
1) Don’t let a day go by in your life when you do not humbly and sincerely kneel before God to thank Him for your blessings and plead with Him to give you the spiritual strength to meet the challenges which are coming.
2) Perform a spiritual self examination. Examine every aspect of your life. Identify those things for which you need to repent and then do it. Simply put, focus on your own personal worthiness.
In the end, the only things that will matter will be our personal worthiness and our relationships, especially the one we have with the Savior.

Brothers and Sisters, President Packer was absolutely right when he said: “I am sorry to tell you that it will not get better.” As difficult as it may be to embrace, it is simply God’s plan. The moral, economic, and political conditions of the world will not, overall, get better. You and I were held back for this special time to prepare the earth for the return of the Savior. I believe many within the sound of my voice will be part of, and witnesses to, all of the events that will transpire prior to the return of the Savior. This will require each of us to be temporally and spiritually stronger than we are currently.

In closing let me share a quote from Heber C. Kimball: “The time is coming when we will be mixed up in these now peaceful valleys to the extent that it will be difficult to tell the face of a Saint, from the face of an enemy to the people of God. Then, brothers and sisters, look out for the great sieve, for there will be a great sifting time, and many will fall; for I say unto you there is a test, a TEST, a TEST is coming, and who will be able to stand? This church and each member of it has before it many close places through which it will have to pass before the work of God is crowned with victory. To meet the difficulties that are coming, it will be necessary for you to be temporally and spiritually prepared, and have a knowledge of the truth of this work for yourselves. The difficulties will be of such a character that the man or woman who does not possess these things will fall.”

Brothers and sisters, the test has come. It is now upon us. No man or woman will be able to endure what is happening now, or what is ahead, if we are not temporally and spiritually prepared. If you are not, you will not stand.

I love you brothers and sisters. I testify to you that I speak the truth. I have a personal witness of the Savior and I know that He lives. He is the Son of Almighty God. He will return in glory and He will sustain us through the difficult times ahead if we do our part and are temporally and spiritually prepared. And, I say these things, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

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Posted by: ladell ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:16PM

And so the merging of conservative politics and mormonism continues unabated, maybe not such a winning growth strategy.

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Posted by: josie ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 09:59PM

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Posted by: crom ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:03PM

what josie said.

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Posted by: danboyle ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:21PM

hmmm, I have always wondered what happened to Elder UnScrew.

That was his behind-the-back nick name he was called while he was an AP in my mission. In french (Paris mission) "de-visser" literally means un-screw, or un-do...but unscrew sounded better.

Still preaching end times,.......I thought the church was trying to get out of the end-of-the-world-is-coming business.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:21PM

When were you in the Paris, France mission?

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Posted by: danboyle ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 11:11PM

baura Wrote:
> When were you in the Paris, France mission?

june 1979 to june 1981...President Robinson, nazi MP

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Posted by: Brian M ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:25PM

Take home points:

The future is bad
The world is bad
You are bad if you are not constantly scrutinizing yourself under the church heirarchy's most recent and possibly some of its past criteria and you are not...

so yes you are bad too.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2013 07:45PM by Brian M.

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Posted by: cecil0812 ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:29PM

I love how he said "You may choose to disagree with me. You may even choose to ignore me, but I have been impressed by the spirit to say what I must say."


Nice manipulation there and nice, completely unabashed politicking from the pulpit there.

What a dumb fuck. There is no other description. He's a stupid fuck.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:33PM

And this is how they instill fear in the hearts of their members.

Once the fear is full entrenched, they go after the money.

They teach the adults to teach their children to live in fear.

I listened to this same kind of fear mongering when I was very young in the 60's and 70's.

Next the church will give a big tithing push, disguised as temple attendance. Then they scare everyone into buying mountains of excess food from the church. You MUST own a set of scriptures for each and every person in the family. Of course the only place to buy them is from the church. And it goes on and on until they have drained your family of money, time, and energy.

This guy is prophesying. It's disgusting. He cannot see into the future any better than you or I. You notice how he starts out his speech telling everyone how inspired he is. He then moves on to fear mongering and fortune telling.

My mother ate this kind of crap up. Listening to this crap caused her to have a couple of psychotic breaks. She raised her children in an atmosphere of fear. It was completely unnecessary. In truth, the only thing she really had to fear was the church itself. It destroyed her mental health, it caused her to become helpless and dependent on a husband who didn't ever have her best interests at heart. Last but not least it has torn her family apart. If it hadn't of been for mormonism, she would have had a pretty nice life.

This sp is a disgusting piece of shit playing on the fears of members. He knows full well that he will have more control over them if they are living in a state of fear.

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Posted by: The Man in Black ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:36PM

Hey look. They are crying wolf. A lot of the assumptions made here are horribly ill-informed and outright incorrect.

What if socialism, and even communism was once official doctrine? That would be embarrassing wouldn't it? D&C 42:32.

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Posted by: danboyle ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:41PM

The Man in Black Wrote:
> Hey look. They are crying wolf. A lot of the
> assumptions made here are horribly ill-informed
> and outright incorrect.
> What if socialism, and even communism was once
> official doctrine? That would be embarrassing
> wouldn't it? D&C 42:32. every measure, the world is a far better place than it was 1000 or even 100 years ago. Diseases have been wiped out. Life expectancy is way up. Children have more protection (but still need more), middle class income and lifestyle are way, way up. Women have more rights, as do minorities (even in mormonism!)....the world is not perfect, but it is so much better than it has ever been, I wonder if anyone in the audience is even listening, or THINKING....probably not.

The fear mongering is pathetic.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:23PM

Things are SO much better off these days than in the past, that
now Stake Presidents can spend their time expounding political
diatribes about the national leaders.

When there are no real local problems that's when you start
playing national politics.

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Posted by: dimmesdale ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:39PM

Not sure someone would be so blatently political, unless, perhaps this happened in Utah County.

That's where I lived when the SP during a temple interview launched into a short sermon about how prepared we needed to be to stand against our government if necessary. (This was the very week after the Oklahoma Bombing) It was scary.

But it was in private.

I KNOW that many people actually believe those things. They are also the ones who believe there is no global warming, that dinosaurs lived with people, that rape doesn't cause pregnancy and that red states don't take in more welfare money than blue states.

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Posted by: freetochoose ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:43PM

I just quickly skimmed it.
No way am I going to subject myself to that much morg drivel ever again.
He says "it" will never stop...
I beg to differ.
All of that hand wringing and anxiety WILL stop if you just tune it all out and walk away.
Only THEN will that insanity miraculously disappear, and life become indescribably wonderous and beautiful.

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Posted by: joesmithsleftteste ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:51PM

I would respond by saying "here are some thoughts from another stake president..." and then offer them some of Tom Phillips' better observations about the church.

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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 07:51PM

At my age I've heard it all a thousand times. We have been in the end times since my birth, since my father's birth, and his father's birth.

A thousand years from now we will still be in the end times.

So they say, A. the prophecies said that it would be like it is now in the last days, and B. The only hope you have is to do what we say.

This all literally translates to, "Stick 'em up."

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Posted by: seeking peace ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:07PM

This "end of the world" SP lives within a mile of my house--now that is scary. I also like that this very prosperous neighborhood is getting its "welfare" under control so they can keep being givers and not takers--that is the kind of stake this guy needs to run if he is going to continue his corporate advancement. Talks like this have a very dangerous undertone and it never helps in retaining the youth who look at each other and say--who is this guy kidding? We need the little barfing emoticon here!!

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Posted by: cricket ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:22PM

end times talk: "we now have 1,000 members less in our stake than we did in 2008."

I have no way of knowing but I hope the stake census reduction by 1,000 members is due to attrition/resignation rather than boundary jerrymandering. Any close by know for sure?

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Posted by: dogblogger ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:25PM

It reads like a conservative screed dressed in mormonism. Makes me think it was lifted from someplace else. Becuase it triggers all the urban legend nuttery detectors I have.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:33PM

And some emotionally unstable guy goes home from that meeting and decides that him and his family would be better off dead.

That sp is seriously playing with fire when he spews out that kind of hopelessness and fear. All it takes is one person whose life isn't going too well. A speech like that could easily tip the scale.

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Posted by: ellenl ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:33PM

"it is not my intent today to be controversial, political, or even dire"


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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:37PM

So he thinks this country is going to the dogs. So says he before he gets into his luxury automobile, and drives home to his commodius house, with his big screen TV, and his high speed internet, and his comfortable furniture, and abundant food, and attractive wife and healthy children.


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Posted by: The Oncoming Storm - bc ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:54PM

We need to go back to the way it was!

Abuse - sexual & physical was almost always kept hidden.
Slavery was alive & well!
Women were property not people!
Children were to be seen and not heard!
If someone has sex in a way we disapprove - stone them to death!

Plus I want the chance to die from smallpox, polio, or the bubonic plague!

Yeah, the world is getting more and more immoral.


Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2013 09:00PM by bc.

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Posted by: josie ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:06PM

apparently some people feel that medical advances and greater availability of opportunities for all people indicates the end of days, which says more about their own views than anything else.

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Posted by: sparty ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 08:58PM

Sounds like someone is still butthurt about Mittens getting thrashed last November.

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Posted by: Cali Sally ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 09:37PM

First, the nearsightedness of observing only recent events in the USA and the quote "nothing as bad as those things having happened in the whole history of the world." REALLY? Where were these men educated on history and even current world events? Are their heads in a hole? What about the hundreds of people dying in Syria fighting for freedom and those starving in Sudan from famine? Nary a word about them. Can we compare ANYTHING that has happened in the USA in 2012 to these events?

And with regard to nothing in the history of the whole world being as bad. Really? Really! The length of, and horrors of the Inquisition and earlier during the Crusades weren't as bad? The thousands of lives lost horribly during the beginning of the industrial revolution from lung diseases? The millions who died from the black death and holocaust? Silly world events.

And if you simply want to look at the USA, how about the flu epidemic in 1918? Way more lives lost and fear then. And the economy after the stock market crash in 1929? Things are far better then that period of our history. And the huge number of women who used to die simply from childbirth just 75 to 100 years ago. So many, many more lives saved due to better health care and legal systems. Of course we are far from living in perfection in this world/country but I sure feel lucky living and working in today's world.

If these men are inspired by God I want nothing to do with their God cause he picks real jerks to inspire.

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Posted by: moira ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:02PM

I'd say this guy is listening to the Glenn Beck channel.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:04PM

sounds like the guy watched fox "news" way too much.

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Posted by: Whiskeytango ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:06PM

Thanks for posting this. My mother lives in this stake and was trying to tell me what the SP had said but couldn't remember....

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Posted by: formerbyuer ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:19PM

Can your mother verify that this was said? A lot of people seem to think this is an urban legend. Nobody has confirmed that these remarks were ever said. It would be interesting to know.

For example:

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Posted by: nickname ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:10PM

"The Director of the CIA, a man considered to be of the highest moral integrity"

I'm not so sure that "moral integrity" is an imperative, or, in fact, desirable quality to have in the leader of a spy agency. This is a man who's job description includes: committing fraud, stealing information, kidnapping, lying, hacking, sabotage, and probably even a fair bit of murder.

A man with "the highest moral integrity" would be wholly incompatible with such an assignment!

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:21PM

I heard all of this crap when I was a kid in the late sixties. Rock musicians were focused on paving the way for Satan. The economy would collapse because of "liberals." Charles Manson was proof that Jesus would come soon. The Viet Nam war was the harbinger of armageddon. Cher's scanty dresses revealed the death of modesty and family rather than just cleavage. Pinball and pool halls were like opium dens. Coca Cola was a gateway drug.

All recycled garbage from anti-intellectuals. Still the same today. I'm so glad I don't have to sit and listen to these idiots now.

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Posted by: tilliegilman ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:50PM

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Posted by: crom ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 10:56PM

It must be true. McKay wouldn't have let ETB lead the church to the John Birch society if it wasn't.

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Posted by: agentpi ( )
Date: February 14, 2013 11:33PM

This guy is an arrogant prick who also has no understanding of anything that's going on in the world. This was my favorite part:

"We experienced the worst economic, political, and spiritual times in the history of our country, and even globally."

In 2012?? Seriously? I'd say the worst economic times in the history of our country were probably around, oh, say, NINETEEN TWENTY-NINE.

I'd also put our country's worst political times at around--and I'm just spitballing here--EIGHTEEN SIXTY-ONE.

And, at least from a Mormon perspective, you'd have to assume that the worst spiritual times in our country were any time BEFORE EIGHTEEN THIRTY.

Not only that, but this asshole referred to himself as the Stake President more times in this single talk than my dad did during the nine years he was SP.

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