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Posted by: pandora ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:14PM

I guess conference has got me thinking about pornography for some reason. Anyway, I have a question. It's my understanding that people with same sex attraction have it annotated on their records so that they can't serve with children etc. Doesn't it make more sense to put that annotation on a persons file if they have a porn addiction?


Years ago I was close friends with a gal whose husband had a serious on going porn addiction. He was working in the nursery which kind of gave me the creeps. Since then I've had several women confide in me that their husbands have porn addiction and these are all men who work in the church in all kinds of callings. I haven't done any research but from what I've read in the newspaper over the years I was under the impression that someone with a porn addiction has a true addiction that changes their brains. In some cases their addiction can cause them to act out against others. I've never read anything like that about people who are gay. I guess if the church put an annotation on the records of people with porn addiction there might not be many left to do the work. Or maybe I'm totally off base for suggesting that people with a sex addiction shouldn't be involved with kids.

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Posted by: starkravingmad ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:17PM

IMO - What is labeled as "porn addiction" in TSCC isn't even close to being an actual addiction.

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Posted by: slcbunk ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 11:39PM

Amen, amen, amen.

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Posted by: rationalguy ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:20PM

I'm thinking that the concept of "porn addiction" as viewed by TSCC is really overblown. Sexually abusing kids is not very closely linked with porn anyway and is definitely not linked with homosexuality. Pedophiles are a special case, really. To sexually abuse a child takes a special type of sickness.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2013 10:21PM by rationalguy.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:21PM

I have an air and water addiction.

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Posted by: albertasaurus ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:24PM

They don't do it bc every male in tscc has a "porn addiction"

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Posted by: utahstateagnostics ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:25PM

TSSC's definition of alcoholic - Drinks one beer occasionally over a period of 2 hours. Seriously. Ask my cousin.

TSSC's defintion of chain smoker - someone seen with a cig in hand.

TSSC's definition of Porn-addict - views it at all.

They seriously can't see the difference between a partaker and an addict. My question is why don't they start emphasizing those with church-addictions or the members with prozac or ritalin problems. That seems to be almost as prevalent as the whole porn thing.

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Posted by: The matrix ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:39PM

What stark said. The word addiction bothers me in the morg. I have a sex addition because I want it every night with my wife. I have a drinking addiction because it tastes good and I have one from time to time. I have a masterbation addiction cause it feels good.

The only reason the members call it an addiction is because its seen as wrong in the morg's eyes.

Do the TBM's have a scripture addiction because they read every night or a church addiction because they do their callings more than time spent with family?

I find the word addiction way over used.

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 10:56PM

You say addict, I say aficionado.

An addict goes nuts when unable to get a fix of whatever. I have a few vices, but if I have to leave them alone for a while due to circumstances, I'm fine.

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Posted by: John_Lyle ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 11:59PM

Actually, 'addiction,' requires a physiological addiction to a substance that produces symptoms associated with withdrawal.

You can't be addicted to pictures.

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Posted by: porterrockwell ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 11:04PM

I kicked my "church addiction" in December. Haven't been back since. Don't miss it.

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Posted by: John_Lyle ( )
Date: April 06, 2013 11:57PM

What is a porn addiction? Is there a DSM-IV/V criteria for the diagnosis?

"Porn addiction" is a pop culture buzzword. It has no meaning. What is one person's occasional look at porn is the church's 'porn addiction.'

What is 'porn' anyway...

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Posted by: rose park ranger ( )
Date: April 07, 2013 01:16AM

John_Lyle Wrote:
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> What is 'porn' anyway...

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Posted by: ripley ( )
Date: April 07, 2013 12:33AM

Seriously! Same sex attraction gets you banned from working with children. This is so wrong. It's equating homosexuality with pedophilia. Statistically, a homosexual is less likely to sexually abuse children than a heterosexual. I could find other sources but this one was readily available.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

It's long and the following quote is about 1/3 down the page:
"The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified"

Perpetuating this myth that homosexuals will abuse children really annoys me because it diverts attention away from the perverts who really do abuse children.

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Posted by: ExMoNemo ( )
Date: April 07, 2013 02:57AM

"An addiction is a pathological relationship with any mood altering experience that has life damaging consequences"

Someone who wanks their little factory on occasion using porn as a visual aid to start the whole thing going hardly qualifies.

By contrast, Church membership and and all that go with a TBM lifstyle most certainly does!

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Posted by: gungholierthanthou ( )
Date: April 07, 2013 04:17AM

Every animal has the biological imperative to mate, including the human animal. The Mormon church uses that natural drive to its own purposes. By narrowly defining the experience and expression of sexual urges so as to make wide swaths of human nature evil, and then setting up a repentance process that requires church involvement, they gain power.

I am male. I am attracted to females. Viewing photos and video of beautiful naked women is exciting and pleasurable to me. If that were not the case, something would have to be wrong with me. Using the experience of viewing photos and videos of beautiful naked women as a sexual stimulus for masturbation is a normal, if very modern, method of sexual expression.

In a tiny percentage of cases, the above described method of sexual expression interferes with healthy living. For instance, if a man is in his refractory period after masturbating when his wife wants intimacy, he may not be able to perform. If that happens rarely, and he learns from the mistake to adjust his habits to not interfere with his sexual relationship with his wife, I don't think it can be defined as pathological.

Most men fit into the above scenario, I believe.

In more extreme cases, a man's habits with viewing naked women takes away from what he values: relationships (especially with his spouse), time resources (including where enormous amounts of time are spent with this habit to the exclusion of good work, learning, building relationships, diminished interest in other activities that take time, etc.) and even health (men who are heavily involved actually injure themselves). When the habit crosses that line, it can be rightfully defined as "pathological involvement." And when that involvement is not within the person's ability to curtail and control it, it can rightfully be defined as "addiction."

The Mormon church lumps way too many cases into the clinical categories. All but a tiny percentage of men belong in the more normal category.

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Posted by: Gazelam ( )
Date: April 07, 2013 05:26AM

Lol, The General authorities are so addicted to talking about porn, even the thought of general conference now triggers a pavlovian response thinking about porn.

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Posted by: Joy ( )
Date: April 07, 2013 05:47AM

Ha-ha-ha! A very sexy male Mormon friend of mine dropped by on his way to Priesthood conference tonight, and all I could think of was "porn addiction". I knew he would hear about it tonight, and I also wondered if he has it....hm-m-m-m-m-m.

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