My TBM friend posted this on her wall, and everyone is gushing about how wise this ass is and how he's their favorite. I'm tempted to bite someone.

"Except in the case of his only perfect Begotten Son, imperfect people are all God has ever had to work with. That must be terribly frustrating to Him but He deals with it. So should we. And when you see imperfection, remember that the limitation is not in the divinity of the work." ---Jeffrey R. Holland---

Um, ladies, did you even hear what he said? God is frustrated with us. Excuuuse me, isn't he God? Didn't he make us (according to them), and isn't he all powerful, but he's frustrated? Puny god. Plus the rest is bullshit too!



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Wow... Makes sense though, considering I've seen nothing but ranting about how wise the old fuckers in suits are on my Facebook page. I want to beat these people with a Book of Mormon. Until my husband deciphered what was really being said today, I realized they are and have been full of shit for years...



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The thing is, these are the same people who have been warning members for years to avoid unrighteous companions. You know, people who drink coffee or go to the beach on Sunday or wear tank tops. All these "imperfect" humans must be avoided like the plague by faithful Mormons who want to avoid the appearance of evil. Don't even get me started on how little Mormons are willing to put up with, much less love their neighbor, should they be exMormon.

In other words, if someone is paying tithing and has their butt in a pew on Sunday, then take what they dish out. Doesn't matter how rotten they treat you or how corrupt their character. They are Mormons so bend over and take it like the Lord wants you to. If someone is 100 times the human being, with 100 times more character and charity than a Mormon, yet does one tiny jot or tittle of Mormon culture wrong, then this advice about putting up with imperfections no longer applies.



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GEE thats amazing; that a perfect God would make imperfect people...hmmmm...And then we frustrate him by being IMperfect??? ..BUT "HE" made us??? So IS God Perfect?



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That always bugged me and I asked my TBM friend one day when I was still a member, "Do you ever wonder why if God is so disappoined in us that must mean he isn't taking responsibility for what he created. Why blame his creations?"

OMG! She said that it is because of our free agency and that it is the choices we make that disappoint him," blah, blah, blah.

Then I said but free agency isn't really free; we are only free if we do exactly what God and the church wants us to do."

You can guess where that went :-)

If I believed in God I'd have to say he was the first dysfunctional parent.



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Helen Wrote:
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> If I believed in God I'd have to say he was the
> first dysfunctional parent.

LOL LOL LOL...I'm gonna send this to all of my TBM friends.

"The church is perfect the people are not" (copyright 2013 COJCOLDS).

What a great marketing slogan. Its right up there with "we bring great things to life" and "You deserve a break today".



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Actually the original quote is, "Islam is perfect, Muslims are not." And the original copyright (if you could copyright that sort of thing) would rightfully belong to the Muslims.



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That's right - I'd heard that before. I'm going to quote that to my next TBM who makes the comment.

Today I realized how many of my friends and family are Mormon after my Facebook page was plastered with this quote. My page was nothing but cheasy, cliche, Mormon quotes. I may as well have gone to LDS.org instead of Facebook. I'm so tired of the church.



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I challenge those of you with lots of TBM's on your facebook to watch the next conference and keep a running commentary of snarky comments during the talks. The challenge is to see if you can identify the choice quotes and make fun of them before the TBM's can go into orgasms over them. This might just keep some of them in check if they see how idiotic normal people think they sound.



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Thank You Jeff Holland for helping us understand how tough it is to be so perfect, and have imperfect underlings.

John Stuart Mill offers this, as a counterpoint to Holland's stupid logic:

"Imagine a being who would create Hell, then who would create the human race with the infallible foreknowledge and therefore with the intention that the great majority of them were to be consigned to horrible and everlasting torment."

If you ask me, God is a monster, and only his nonexistence can excuse him.

Seems like Holand has got the 'sort out the exmos' job

All his talks seem directed at us unbelievers.

Tough audience!

If he wants to sort out exmos, he really should stop lying about things and remember that inactives/exmos compare notes, check facts and aren't afraid to call him on his lies. We aren't brainwashed believers and if he lies, we will find out and we will broadcast his "sins" faster than any God that may be tolerating him.

Holland has been pretty good lately at assigning human emotions to a God who is suppossed to be above all that. Frustration, anxiety, jealosy, etc.

Actually, the OT presents God with all emotions including jealousy, Christ showed anger at the money-changers and note what he said about the pharisees (TSCC).

Holland was, as usual, spouting the party line. Actually, it is a miracle that so many very good people belong to TSCC which is rotten from the beginning to the end. Ironically, TSCC teaches members they have to be perfect and now says God made them imperfect. God allows people, made in His image, to go astray including going into moism.



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I would say that talk highlights the effect that places like here are having on LDS Inc.

I think it is an indication that the LDS corporation is aware that they have been exposed, and Google is utterly destroying them.

We may not see 'Death Star' shot with a spectacular implosion of the LDS company, but recruiting must be coming to a standstill.

Well God...
eehmm

Sorry dude.
I'm sorry to be such a frustration to you.

Tell ya what, just go on and forget about me okay?. Cut me right out of your life and ignore me. Just like I don't exist.
And I'll do the same.

ta..

Er...ummm....it seems that by definition a perfect being cannot make an imperfect being; if a master craftsman builds a Rolls Royce, it should be pretty good, eh?

My TBM friends were all acting like Holland's talk was the single greatest piece of revelation since Jehovah and Michael went down on Elohim. One of them posted: "I'm pretty sure Elder Holland just delivered the answer to the collective prayers of every person on Earth." Are you shitting me? These poor people are so starved for spiritual guidance that they've started hallucinating.

That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. Well, God is basically a corporate manager all of whose employees are bunglers, but he hasn't got the authority to fire them. So, he "deals with it," though it's very frustrating for him. I wonder if he's on anti-anxiety drugs and anti-depressants too? You know, to help him cope with all those crap employees he's stuck trying to "work with," as their supervisor.

2,000 years ago, though, he had one perfect employee: his only begotten son. It sure raises the question, why doesn't he just beget some more? But, wait, he did beget more. He's the father in heaven. Am I confused, or is this confusing?

Moreover, explain to me, anyone, "when you see imperfections, remember that the limitation is not in the divinity of the work." What in the world does that mean? According to the story, the divinity created the work. All of it. The limitations were built into the creation, so where else but in the divinity should anyone look for the source of the limitations?

If Mormons even thought for one minute about what they're told to believe, they'd see it's not true. It's mostly word salad. It's excuse-making for the obvious fact that the results fall far short of the promises.

Nothing in the quote can identify the value of the human being. And to try to imagine a frustrated, all-powerful God is frustrating by itself, because it's stupid. Why doesn't God just fast and pray to himself if he's frustrated? Starved for spiritual guidance, indeed!

Oh! I see he caught Packer's talk.