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Posted by: edmarc ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:46PM

Who thought it was silly, cheesy and corny?

My dad spent more time lecturing us than he did giving us the lesson. I hated FHE and never held it after I left home for good.

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Posted by: Queen of Denial ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:47PM


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2011 06:52PM by Queen of Denial.

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Posted by: edmarc ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:51PM

Why?

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Posted by: Queen of Denial ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 07:00PM

...no reason. Carry on.

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Posted by: rodolfo ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 07:10PM

Queen of Denial Wrote:
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> ...no reason. Carry on.

HAHAHAHAHHAHA!

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Posted by: intellectualfeminist ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 08:13PM


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Posted by: Gullibles Travels ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 08:45PM


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Posted by: anon ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:49PM


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Posted by: wine country girl ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:50PM

take the intimacy out of family relationships and replace it with "Mormon Speak." (which is a lot like "New Speak" from George Orwell's 1984.

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Posted by: utahmonomore ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:51PM

FHE never ever existed in our house, everyone did as they pleased.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:52PM

Ours used to end in a fight. My mom finally gave up.

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Posted by: edmarc ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:53PM

I remember some doozey fights a couple of times during FHE's. One time I thought my parents might divorce. My Dad stormed out and went fishing.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 09:16PM

bona dea Wrote:
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> Ours used to end in a fight. My mom finally gave
> up.

This was before you had to do it on Monday and it was pretty much impossible to find a time when everyone could be there. Then I had a sister who was quite the social butterfly and who had a job. She would come waltzing in when it was good for her and announce that we should hold FHE right now, never mind that I had a test the next day, my lettle sister had a play date and my brother's favorite TV show was on. NO VCRs back then. You can imagine how that went over. Then my mom would start the lesson and everyone would say, " I already know that. We learned it at church/seminary." Then my mom would get flustered.Then someone whould say, "Hurry, I want to watch 'Star Trek' or whatever.'That would get my mom mad and possibly result in a fight over whether to watch 'Star Trek' or something else. Only one TV. After the lesson, we tried an activity and nobody wanted to do the same thing so we would argue and someone would sulk. Each child, starting with the oldest, had a turn to pick the refreshments and of course somebody didn't like the choice and would whine about it. The two littlest were extremely fussy about what they ate and generally wouldn't try anything new. I liked to experiment with cooking. We generally had a fight about that. It really promoted family harmony. LOL



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Posted by: loveskids ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 11:52PM

"this was before you had to do it on Monday night." That hit me as so stupid (of the church) that we were TOLD when to meet as a family. The church CHOSE for us the day. And then TOLD us what to discuss by putting out those lame FHE manuals. And the mormon church is not a cult. When I read things like this I feel so dumb for believing for 57 years.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 19, 2011 12:14AM

loveskids Wrote:
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> "this was before you had to do it on Monday
> night." That hit me as so stupid (of the church)
> that we were TOLD when to meet as a family. The
> church CHOSE for us the day. And then TOLD us what
> to discuss by putting out those lame FHE manuals.
> And the mormon church is not a cult. When I read
> things like this I feel so dumb for believing for
> 57 years.

There was a reason for that. Every other day somebody had church duties. That should have been a red flag in and of itself.Have a few less meetings and let families get together when it is convenient and do what works for them. That would have worked a lot better.

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Posted by: JoD3:360 ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 06:55PM

“The time has been in Israel under the law of God, the celestial law, or that which pertains to the celestial law, for it is one of the laws of that kingdom where our Father dwells, that if a man was found guilty of adultery, he must have his blood shed, and that is near at hand.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 219

“Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them. You would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the Kingdom of God. I would at once do so, in such a case; and under the circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands.... There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, pp. 108-109

“If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may find stealing, I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit another iniquity. I will prove by my works whether I can mete out justice to such persons, or not. I would consider it just as much my duty to do that, as to baptize a man for the remission of his sins.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, pp. 108-109

I know that there are transgressors, who, if they knew themselves and the only condition upon which they can obtain forgiveness, would beg of their brethren to shed their blood, that the smoke might ascend to God as an offering to appease the wrath that is kindled against them, and that the law might have its course.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 43

“Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved... and suppose that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding of blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin and may be saved and exalted with the God, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, ‘shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?’”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, pp. 219-220

“It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it [the blood of Christ] can never remit.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 54

“This is loving your neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 220

“If men turn traitors to God and His servants, their blood will surely be shed, or else they will be damned, and that too according to their covenants.”

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 4, p. 375

Another of the murders under this dispensation, which Judge Cradlebaugh mentioned as "peculiarly and shockingly prominent," was that of the Aikin party, in the spring of 1857. This party, consisting of six men, started east from San Francisco in May, 1857, and, falling in with a Mormon train, joined them for protection against the Indians. "When they got to a safer neighborhood, the Californians pushed on ahead. Arriving in Kayesville, twenty-five miles north of Salt Lake City, they were at once arrested as federal spies, and their animals (they had an outfit worth in all, about $25,000) were put into the public corral. When their Mormon fellow-travellers arrived, they scouted the idea that the men even knew of an impending "war," and the party were told that they would be sent out of the territory. But before they started, a council, held at the call of a Bishop in Salt Lake City, decided on their death.

Four of the party were attacked in camp by their escort while asleep; two were killed at once, and two who escaped temporarily were shot while, as they supposed, being escorted back to Salt Lake City. The two others were attacked by O. P. Rockwell and some associates near the city; one was killed outright, and the other escaped, wounded, and was shot the next day while under the escort of "Bill" Hickman, and, according to the latter, by Young's order. *


* Brigham's "Destroying Angel," p. 128

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Stenhouse relates, as one of the "few notable cases that have properly illustrated the blood atonement doctrine," that one of the wives of an elder who was sent on a mission broke her marriage vows during his absence. On his return, during the height of the "Reformation," she was told that "she could not reach the circle of the gods and goddesses unless her blood was shed," and she consented to accept the punishment. Seating herself, therefore, on her husband's knee, she gave him a last kiss, and he then drew a knife across her throat. "That kind and loving husband still lives near Salt Lake City (1874), and preaches occasionally with great zeal."*


* "Rocky Mountain Saints," p. 470.

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Posted by: Raptor Jesus ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 08:36PM

How often BY said he was speaking as a prophet, and how the "lord" promised the saints that he'd never let the prophet lead them astray.

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Posted by: JoD3:360 ( )
Date: January 19, 2011 12:20AM

Take any man in this kingdom, and if the people say that they will make him a President or a Bishop, or elect him to fill any other office, and the faith of the people is concentrated to receive light through that officer or pipe laid by the power of the Priesthood from the throne of God, you might as well try to move the heavens as to receive anything wrong through that conductor.

No matter whom you elect for an officer, if your faith is concentrated in him through whom to receive the things which he is appointed to administer in, light will come to you. Let a presiding officer or a Bishop turn away from righteousness, and the Lord Almighty would give him the lock−jaw, if he could not stop his mouth in any other way, or send a fit of numb palsy on him, so that he could not act, as sure as the people over whom he presided were right, that they might not be led astray.

JD 6:99, Brigham Young, November 29, 1857

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I do not expect to preach a lengthy sermon this afternoon, but there is a great deal to be said and done. The Lord Almighty leads this Church, and he will never suffer you to be led astray if you are found doing your duty. You may go home and sleep as sweetly as a babe in its mother's arms, as to any danger of your leaders leading you astray, for if they should try to do so the Lord would quickly sweep them from the earth. Your leaders are trying to live their religion as far as I am capable of doing so? Yes, I do. The power of God is with
me continually, and I never mean to live an hour without it.

JD 9:289, Brigham Young, February 23, 1862
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Posted by: nomo moses ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 07:20PM

I liked FHE as a kid, I enjoyed it at college (institute) and I still have FHE even though I am no longer a member. If it is a fun time spent with family, it can be great. I grew up in a musical family and we sang a lot of songs. We also played a lot of games. The lesson was always secondary to the time together. That is how FHE is in my home now. It is also used as a planning meeting.

At a time when I had 4 callings (EQ Pres, choir director, Stake music chair, "voluntary" institute instructor) I was glad to have one night with my family. Of course now I enjoy every night with the family members who are home.

I had a secretary that was raised Baptist, but when she had the discussions she started FHE with her family. She never joined the mormon church, but recognized how FHE done correctly helps the family.

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Posted by: Kablam ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 08:55PM

All I remember is my Dad would pull out his giant set of scriptures and yell at all of us kids to be quiet. He would blather on for an hour and then he'd pass out ding dongs he bought at a discount at a bakery thrift store.
Eventually my mom joined an orchestra that met on Monday nights so we never had FHE again. It was great.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 09:04PM

The idea is good, but as usual the church has micromangaed it to nth degree. Y9ou have to have it on Monday night, it is a commandment and you even have a manuel and a set program to follow . Why can't they just say that you should try to spend an hour or so a week with your family and let the fam ily decide when to do it and what to do? Why does it have to have a lesson? What is wrong with taking your kids somewhere fun and building some memories? It is also very ironic that the program came about because the church kept people so busy that families needed to spend time together.Cut out a few meetings and most families would spend more time together.

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Posted by: edmarc ( )
Date: January 18, 2011 09:04PM

I didn't mind FHE if it was an activity, but I detested the cheesy primary songs lead by my little sister. I felt really silly.

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