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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 23, 2013 02:59PM

What Recovery Means To Me.

Recovery, is defined for my own situation as The Exit Process from Mormonism.

It's a Do It Yourself Project with no manual and no rules.

We all make our own decisions about how to do it. We each post about how we do it.

This is how I do it. It works for me, but may not work for others.

There is no right or wrong way to deal with the process. It's not black and white. What is right for one won't work for another person as their situations are often quite different. Our backgrounds are very different also: BIC and convert most often, in my observation, will naturally approach the Exit Process differently. When members leave the LDS Church, (as in stop believing) it varies from a very young age to a much older age, sometimes in our senior years, like I did.

Part of that process is a variety of stages. We all go through stages that are a direct result of changing our mind about our religious, cultural belief system. Those stages may be similar to others or very different.

A few things helped me immensely.
First of all, it was important to understand that we are human beings; we put our pants on one leg at a time, we experience the same emotions that all humans experience.

We are more alike than different. Religion is only one defining part of our human experience. For some, it's more globally encompassing than others. Mormonism tends to be more globally encompassing because of it's strong generational traditions and rituals.

It's comforting to know we are not alone. When we leave our "tribe" and become an outsider, it's a very similar process no matter what group or religion is involved. Some can leave very easily. For others, it's extremely difficult and has far reaching dynamic results. Sometimes loosing almost everything.
The animal kingdom, in general, doesn't look kindly on those that leave their "tribe." Often they are left to fend for themselves, which can be disastrous.

Along the way I have concluded there are a few basics: we all get the same thing: we live, we die, we do stuff in between. There are no wouldas, shouldas, couldas, or what if's. What is -- is.

We play the cards we are dealt. We make the best decisions we know how with the information we have at the time. It's OK to change our mind when we find/receive new, better information. Don't let the past mess up my present.

There are no fantasy parents, fantasy siblings, fantasy marriages, etc.

My mind tends to see the Big Picture. After reading The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell (a textbook for a local college religion course), it became easy to see Mormonism in the Big Picture as one of many God Myths through out the history of humanity that humans naturally gravitate to through their generational, familial, cultural, societal background.

The geography of our birth plays a large role in our beliefs. Where we are born in the world very often determines our religious traditions and rituals for our entire life.

I found that it takes a long time to give ourselves permission to create a personalized, evolving new World View and be confident about it. It's natural, to have doubts and concerns along the way.

I realized I needed to take my power back and own it, early on. I needed to be in the drivers seat and trust myself!

Everyone is different: for some anger, resentment, distaste, disgust, etc. can last for years. For others, those kinds of emotions are quickly replaced by others that lead to making peace with all of it. Humor is very healing! I fall in the latter group.

The end result of this very personalized, Do It Yourself, Exit Process from Mormonism based on the dynamics of our individual lives and families is that former members will very often develop very different World Views and different opinions.

It's natural for human beings to see the world only through their eyes. Changing from a concrete World View with little to no deviation, to one that is open and evolving can be jarring and upsetting when confronted with different opinions.

Learning the skills of a skeptic, using logic and reason in a new way can be difficult. It can all: feel wrong at first. Eventually, we each find our niche, usually through experimentation. We find what works for us as a former Mormon.

It's an exhilarating experience! Scary at times! Taking off the Mormon filter from our eyes and ears takes some getting used to. We often completely change our hair styles, and our wardrobe, discarding the regulation garments. The world looks much different. There are new ways of looking at everything. All of our thoughts and actions take on a new perspective.

For me, it was necessary to use humor (daily), write satire and parody, write about the process regularly, and not take it all too seriously.

It was also necessary for my sense of well being to know I was OK, to keep my self confidence, self respect, self esteem cooking on high!

I was going to change my mind and do it my way! And I could do that. I didn't need to be fixed by anyone or anything. I was not defective. I'd figure it out. I could do that. I also needed to learn how to set boundaries and how to protect myself. That is on-going.

This is my list of how I know I'm out -- or recovered as some say, or the Exit Process is about as done as it's going to get.

Like many, I live with and love Mormons and always will. They are some of my relatives and dear friends.
It's important, for me, in my situation to maintain as many positive relationships as possible. (Not always possible, however.)

This is my check list. I read it from time to time to see how I'm doing.

In my case, I change it to "I know"....


You know you're really out when........ You're made peace with it.

The emotional attachment has been replaced with love of all of life.

The following is how I made peace with it. The short version.



You know you are really out when.....
there are no more resentments, anger, regrets, or self recrimination, explosive responses, name calling, etc.

You know you are really out when....
you can live with and love Mormons and accept them like anyone else.

You know you are really out when.....
you are kind to the missionaries and other members, and maintain a rational relationship and friendship like everyone else.

You know you are really out when...
you understand that Mormonism is a religion like thousands of others and it's OK to change your mind, leave it, and know you are OK and were OK all along.

You know you are really out when .....
you respect all people's rights to choose their own religion (or none) as a valid choice and honor that right.

You know you are really out when....
you love your friends and family regardless of their religious choices.

You know you are really out when...
you own your own power, set healthy boundaries when necessary, and take charge of your own life, living it today, not for some reward after death.

You know you are really out when...
you choose your friends regardless of their religious choices.

You know you are really out when....
you can go to a church building, read their scriptures, articles, etc, attend functions associate with Mormons and remain respectful.

I didn't start out with those goals, but they evolved naturally during my process.

Every person teaches me something, and most often, enriches my life.

And so, we work our process, little by little.
It took years for me to get to the point that I could, as a young woman convert, leave the LDS Church on my own terms.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 23, 2013 06:28PM

I'd be interested in what other former Mormons consider to be recovery for them.

What does your process entail?

Are there specific stages that you experienced?

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Posted by: larryjohn ( )
Date: April 23, 2013 07:48PM

Recovery for me is hard. As the leaders of the church the last straw that broke my marrige that left me living apart for ever,
a bond so great, yet only in spirit with my wife, and no way know yet how to resolve the issue because the bad memory of that bastard bishop who went onto stake president this day got away with murder and all my letters to the first presidency ignored....

Overcomming hatred is difficult for me. I wanted to kill that man and if had a gun might of and then took my own life.The thought is always there that no way I would take my life without taking his. I hate the bastard stake president from Dianella perth Western australia temple stake. He is the arrogant son from an arrogant father who was also stake president tho the father led his own councilor to suicide and
when the father was called as mission pres in another australian state, he sent home a missionary for having a wet dream about his temple bride to be that cost him dishonerable mission, rejected marrige or to messed up and commited suicide.

This clan of leadership father to son rules with iron fist here and the dumb bastard members go along with it like puppets.

No revenge is mine sayeth the true jesus of justice that doesnt rob mercy. Mormon justice robbed mercy for me. I was misjudged and spewed out, and no way people watching batman movies should be killed by mad gunman. /Why dont they revenge those who are think they will be mormon gods than kill poor common movie goers or pool little children in schools..

mormon leaders like this jerk who is a lawer by profession and treats everyone like in a court of law, should be assassinated but no one has the guts or rather kill little children, sport marathon runners and crowds, or movie goers but the mormon bastard leaders get to live...

I'm still angry I guess but thanks for your humble artical anyway..

Larry.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 23, 2013 08:06PM

I'm s sorry Larry. I understand your sense of betrayal and strong feelings. Your anger is justified!

I have seen this kind of thing happen also. One in the last few years. The lies, the false witness/accusations, etc. can run rampant.

I got enough of it, but fortunately, nobody would cross my husband. But if he tried to clarify or straighten anything out these silly people thought I "made" him do it.

It's a no win situation. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Larry: I get it! I hope you can eventually find some peace.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 24, 2013 11:50AM

I'm topping this. I'd like to hear how others describe their recovery....

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 24, 2013 05:37PM

It takes as long as it takes. It's not a contest. There is no such thing as "one true way" to deal with changing our mind about religion when many have spent a lifetime in it, or live in the "Moridor"!

I think it helped me.... that we didn't stay in Utah.

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Posted by: breedumyung ( )
Date: April 24, 2013 12:16PM

Suzie,

I went down your checklist and realized that I have failed at several of them...

Still affected by Mormonism...

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 25, 2013 12:07PM

breedumyung Wrote:
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> Suzie,
>
> I went down your checklist and realized that I
> have failed at several of them...
>
> Still affected by Mormonism...


Yes, I,m sure you are.

This is my personal list.

You'll have your own list when you are ready.

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Posted by: Paint ( )
Date: April 24, 2013 12:34PM

I know I will have recovered when I hear something mormon and don't want to throw up a little in my mouth.

Honestly if I didn't live in Utah I would be able to move on MUCH faster. It's like another planet living here and not in a cool, fun way either. This is crazyville and I feel I will continue to feel crazed by the crazies until more time has passed or I move.

More time is my answer, since I'm not moving anytime soon!

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: April 25, 2013 12:31PM

Hi SusieQ#1,

I read your comment with great interest. Last year a group of exmormons got together with a Yahoogroup to write a workbook for recovery from Mormonism.

I declined to participate because I feel like you do, that Recovery is a do-it-yourself process. Even so, there are some broad concepts which could serve as road signs moving the newly free in the right direction.

To me, Recovery follows the five stages of grief as described by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. Losing your paradigm, losing the world view you held in common with family and friends feels like losing your grip on the only thing you had which felt "certain."

DENIAL - I must be mistaken. I am sure FAIR has an answer for this. It's taken out of context or distorted by apostates because the church is true and perfect but the people are not.

ANGER - The church lied about it! Flat out lied! How could the true church be lying? Why is the truth their enemy? Why didn't they answer my letter? Why can't the bishop answer my question?

BARGAINING - OK, it's not true but I won't tell anyone that I know that. I'm going to keep attending because I have so much invested. If it really is true, it can't hurt to keep up with tithing and meetings and we'll let the Lord sort it out. I don't want to lose my family and I don't have to accept any callings and I'll tell my wife I'm ok with raising the kids in a cult because they'll see I'm a good person and I go even though I don't believe...

DEPRESSION - I can't keep living a lie so I've told my wife I am resigning. I feel empty and sad, like I'm on the outside of my own family. Why can't the church be true? I liked it better before I knew the truth about the First Vision and Joseph Smith's wives. Who cared anyway? I've destroyed my marriage and my children think I'm under the control of Satan. I promised my wife not to share my thoughts with the kids, but now that they are teenagers, how will they ever know their father if I can't be honest? All my friends from the ward avoid me like the plague. Who are my friends if those were phony? Do I even know for sure if Ted would be my friend if I didn't play tennis? Am I getting paranoid? If I were mentally ill, would I know it? Why am I crying?

ACCEPTANCE - This is who I am-- just me, my own person finding my way in the world. I'm not a drunk or a slut, not all black and white, just a man/woman among others all seeking happiness and joy in life. I am relieved not to feel guilty all the time for not "magnifying" myself or not doing/giving/being enough. I can sit here with my cup of coffee and just feel good, like I'm good enough. Such a relief--my best is good enough. I don't have to pretend to have all the answers and I'm ok with having all the questions instead. And I can be happy even if they are not all answered because there's a bright sun shining and people out there that will love me once they get to know me.


Anagrammy

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 25, 2013 12:54PM

I have seen those concepts from Elizabeth Kubler-Ross.
And yes, it can be adapted to leaving the LDS Church.

Anything that helps a person get through the process is of value. If it resonates with the individual, it's important to them. Some go threw this kind of list very quickly, some get stuck on one thing for awhile, others bounce around.

I have not found any one organized process applies to everyone.
That is because, in my view, there are so many variables (BIC, Convert, age in life, family, children,single,kind of testimony, mission,etc. etc.) with the individuals in the process and how they deal with major changes and how they interact with their family units.

And personality is paramount, in my view.

I have the kind of personality and needs to get to "fix it" stage as quickly as possible, with as little emotional angst as possible. Feel the emotion, let it go, then move on. That is how I tend to deal with all of my life. It is more about changing my thinking.

I have not gone through that kind of list much however, as some of it didn't apply to me.

Even in grieving, I don't follow any of those kinds of list for grieving.

One piece of information, one article, on one web site...and...I knew immediately I was not mistaken. I knew immediately I could trust myself and I was good enough. Being a convert helped with that as I have always said I could never learn to "think like a born in the bed Mormon."

I can accept the religion and how it evolved like many other ones, that tend to follow the same pattern.

Any anger was the result of personal relationships that I took personally at the time. I've since learned that is not how I want to do it now.

I just don't do: depression. Sure I can be sad from time to time, particularly now that my husband of over 50 years is no longer with us. In my case, it comes in waves.

Some of my children had left before I did, or lost interest and didn't care to live Mormonism. I learned early on that I had to let go of any imagined control of their religious beliefs. That is about them, not me.

And so, we each find what works for us, and it takes as long as it takes.

The one thing I have found that works consistently, is to go slow, very, very slowly.Others around us need time to adjust to us when we change our mind and make major decisions that impact them.

But we each find a way that works!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2013 12:55PM by SusieQ#1.

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: April 25, 2013 04:29PM

So true. It's helpful to note that people jump around in the grieving steps and they are not viewed as linear. A person can be in bargaining for a while, then be depressed, then be angry, etc.


Ana

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Posted by: philipafarewell ( )
Date: April 25, 2013 07:45PM

Since I have just started the process I can only tell you what I hope it will mean to me as I grow without TSCC in the years to come.

1.Less judgment and more love

2.A life of integrity

3.Pure unadulterated joy in living today and not for death and an afterlife that may or may not exist.

4.Friendships with people from all walks of life and not a homogenous group of people that all like to lock themselves up in a church building for 3 hours every Sunday.

5.Enjoyment of freedom from pressure to be perfect and just being happy that I have a chance to be imperfect =-)

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 26, 2013 12:22PM

philipafarewell Wrote:
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> Since I have just started the process I can only
> tell you what I hope it will mean to me as I grow
> without TSCC in the years to come.
>
> 1.Less judgment and more love
>
> 2.A life of integrity
>
> 3.Pure unadulterated joy in living today and not
> for death and an afterlife that may or may not
> exist.
>
> 4.Friendships with people from all walks of life
> and not a homogenous group of people that all like
> to lock themselves up in a church building for 3
> hours every Sunday.
>
> 5.Enjoyment of freedom from pressure to be perfect
> and just being happy that I have a chance to be
> imperfect =-)


And, I find I do much the same !
The total freedom to be !

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