I meet a girl at a singles dance and right off she told me that she was saving herself for marriage and that we could not kiss because French Kissing was the same as Fornication. If we French kissed my tongue would have to penetrate her body thus making us guilty of the sin of fornication. I believe she was from Utah. I never took her out but I have often wondered if others were taught this same kind of crap.

You never took her out? Gee, why not?

I heard that from a seminary teacher in high school.

French kissing "simulates sex"

It was pretty out there.

Ah, yeah. I got that lesson, too. But now that I'm an Exmo I can do all sorts of things.

That's what I was taught too.

giddy!

I was taught that too.

So, armed with that info, I screened future husbands.

Bad kisser= bad in bed,
Good kisser= potential future husband.

jk!

Never heard that, but we were taught by our stake president to kiss similar to balls hitting into each other on a pool table.

. . . balls hitting into each other is kind of even a bigger no-no isnt it?

Not if it's a threesome, or so I've heard.

don't cross the streams!

Ridiculous. To me there is really no way to non french kiss beyond a few short short ones without it being strange. Kissing someone with that belief would be so awkward.

For what it's worth, I agree insofar as the 'penetration' analogue. I mean, isn't the barrier dissolution kind of what makes it all so nice?

Oh good, so I have committed fornication from time to time, and it was FUN!!!!!!

Just waiting for TSCC to start handing out tongue condoms.

newatthis Wrote:
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> Just waiting for TSCC to start handing out tongue
> condoms.


mmm yea, thats the sacrament cups.

Their whole society if permanently out to lunch.

different religion, same thought process:

my somewhat catholic ex-gf broke it off because we had "committed adultery"

(I'm legally divorced but in the eyes of her church I'm still married...)

religion: fucking up good things since... forever

grubbygert nli Wrote:

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> religion: fucking up good things since... forever


+1!

My mom has always maintained that she thinks French kissing is gross, disgusting.
I have never seen my parents do anything more than bounce lips.

I really enjoyed reading here that this was an actual lesson at church! It explains so much! Like probably a case of scrupulosity. She infected my sister with the scrupulosity, but I missed out on everything TSCC.
Real life is so much more interesting, and I never believed them when they said "this IS real life!"

I know she tried to get me to think French kissing is gross too, she talked a bit too much about it to me as a preteen, when boys were supposed to still be "gross" to me.
She spent so much of my life trying to tell me what I was thinking and feeling that she never bothered to ask what _I_ was thinking and feeling.
Joke's on you, mom. French kissing is awesome!

As a single adult, I've dated men who not only avoided French kissing, they felt it was immoral to kiss AT ALL until they were in the temple sealing room getting wed. I dated two men who even frowned on "pre-marital hand-holding."

ALL of these men had been previously married. They were not teenage virgins.

I think if I had tried to French kiss either of them, they would have fainted dead away from the shock and then reported it to their bishops as fornication.

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> I dated two men who even
> frowned on "pre-marital hand-holding."

"pre-marital, heterosexual interdigitation."

When I was 23, my friend had to explain to me what French Kissing was.

That sounds like a MORmON concept! Just like adultery with in a marriage. Leave it to MORmONS for that kind of stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsi-r1amY0

I'm honestly shocked at some of these responses! My parents weren't the type to ever talk about such a thing at all but I never heard a word about it at church either that it was bad or against the rules.

TSCC blows my mind once again.

Tongue fornication.....the cult just keeps getting more and more bizarre...and as I've said before, for a church so fixated on the denial of sex, or sexual feelings, there sure is alot of fornicating going on judging by the way the members breed???

Ron Burr

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There is a French song from a musical Roméo et Juliette
that is called Les rois du monde (The kings of the world)
There is a part of it that goes like this:

The kings of the world are afraid of everything
They mistake dogs for wolves
They set traps where they will fall in someday
They protect themselves from everything, even love

That particular part always make me think of mormons.

Great. Now I have to explain to my wife that I actually fornicated with over 100 girls before I married her. I had it down below 10 in my prior knowledge of fornicating. Such a bummer.

Is Ignorance of the law a good excuse?

At least it's not the provo soak.

You can ask my current boyfriend--who I dated at age 20. He is 60 now and I'm 56.

I actually first was french kissed on assignment by the bishop. I was 25 years old. I was dating a gay guy and the bishop wanted to "experiment"--to see if we could get the guy turned on--see if we could get him married off. He assigned my boyfriend to french kiss me and not tell me it was going to happen. My boyfriend knew me well and told me beforehand.

I find it "interesting" that my first french kissing experience was on assignment from the bishop. It was MIND BENDING to say the least. It got worse after that.

We finally married partially to get the idiots out of our lives and allow us to figure this mess out on our own.

But, yes, French kissing was taught to me as confession to a bishop worthy.

SWK said the "so call Soul Kiss is an abomination". What ever.

Haha, "Soul Kissing". My older YW leaders used that term when it was clear none of the girls knew exactly what "necking" was (this was early 2000's). We thought it was hilarious. Unfortunately we eventually got some leaders who were only a few years older than us who knew our lingo, so then we couldn't claim ignorance. Not that it stopped me or anything ;)

I live 2,000 miles away from the morridor in a beach community. At one time, I had 3 young teenaged daughters. We went to visit my uber TBM in-laws in Utah one vacation.

My nutty, 20-something, married, SIL apparently taught my girls this "doctrine" during a sleepover at her house one night. She said French kissing was like "having sex" and should be saved for marriage. When my teens later asked me about it back home, I about blew a gasket.

As a convert, I don't always "get" Utah Mormonism. I assumed SIL was just being her usual whackadoodle self. Nope.

I came on RfM and asked you guys if this stuff was "true." A whoooooooole bunch of people confirmed that, yep, that's what they were taught in YW.

Friggin' cult.

;o)



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I was BIC and don't "get" Utah (or southern Idaho) Mormonism either.....soooo totally screwed up.

Ron Burr

When you tell someone that a small sin is the same as a big one, then they could that if you are in for an inch, you are in for a mile. If a girl can be seduced to make out with you, then she will think "I'm already screwed, so why not go all the way?"

Of course, she won't know much about contraception, so a make out session turns into a teen pregnancy.

And as we all know--french kissing isn't anything like sex. What a load of crap.

French kissing is foreplay. If you don't go any further, don't remove your clothes and don't involve genitals, then the only way to get pregnant is via epiphany like St. Mary.

Telling someone that French kissing is sex is like saying that slapping someone is the same as murder. If you have gone that already far, then why stop?

Remember the Carol Bernett show, she did a skit about aliens that had intercourse by rubbing elbows.

No wonder the GA has no need for intimate relations or understand masturbation.

French kissing is fornication but banging 14 year old chicks in barn and lying to the world about it is heavenly.