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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Naming kids after a murderer and a pedophile . . . interesting.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
As bad as soft drinks are to health, my question is why God didn't include them in the Word of Wisdom revelation. That would have a been a much stronger revelation if he included some FUTURE things that would be a health concern. Here is a portion of what the WOW should have said: 5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh more than two drinks of wine or strong drink among you, behold it is no
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Unfortunately, from what I've seen, the response from your family is somewhat typical from members of the LDS Church. I guess it could have been worse, but if I were in your shoes, I would be upset and saddened. As do many LDS, they seem to view homosexuality as a "disease" that can spread to others and can, with intense treatment, be "cured." It's such a warped view, it's e
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
I hope Monson lives for several more years. At least it will be entertaining. Packer, not so much.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/54759750-80/ksl-nbc-normal-gay.html.csp It almost funny what the Mormons considered "ban-worthy" while still allowing other content which most people would consider much more harsh.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Having the words - Another One Bites the Dust in your head during sexual activities seems a little weird. But I think "Staying Alive" might be be very appropriate especially if your "member" is starting to die a little. Ah, ha, ha, ha, Stayin' alive. Stayin' alive. Ah, ha, ha, ha, Stayin' alive.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Suggest that he do it at the "trunk or treat" event in the local LDS Church parking lot.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
I don't know about Brigham Young, but I recall a talk in stake conference around 1975 by Boyd K. Packer indicating that many songs have beats that mimic the same beat rhythm cadance as sexual intercourse. Such songs are promoted by Satan to arouse and tempt us sexually. They should be avoided at all costs. beat . . beat . . beat . . beat (oh) . . beat (ahh) . . beat (oh,yeah) . . beat (more)
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Here is the official stance of the LDS Church about other churches taken directly from text from the "First Vision": "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt." This is God speaking in person directly to Jose
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
The only way I can see your relationship working out is if she also loses faith and sees the Church as a fraud. The chances of that are fairly low. If you tell her about your disbelief, she will either listen to you and research for herself, or she will be in denial and try to "fix you". If she is open to your point of view, then there is a ray of hope. If she tries to "fix
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
That's exactly what a science teacher in our local Utah public school teaches her fourth graders. She is unappologenic. She says that's what she believes and that's what she's going to teach!
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
That's about the most ridiculous explanation I have ever read - memory loss due to spirit compression? WTF
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Here's a nice recap of the War in Heaven and the Plan of Salvation: http://www.rmwhome.com/LDSarticles/planofsalvation.html
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
We have something in common, Leo. My son and I also mailed in our resignations today. Time to cut the cord completely. :)
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
I don't know if they still do this, but in the "old days", a memeber of the bishopric had to present the officers of the ward for a sustaining vote every year during "ward conference". He was supposed to say - "it is proposed that we sustain (names) as (position) and all other (similar callings) as now constituted. But instead he said, "It is proposed that we su
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Smith used the New Testament to support this concept: 1 Peter 3:20-21 King James Version (KJV) 20 . . . wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us . . . It appears "8" is the number where baptism saves. So, the age 8 is when people should be baptised.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
The only spirit I've seen recently is Captain Morgan Orignal Spiced Rum in Cherry Dr. Pepper.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
no text (follows) In other words - all of the text is in the title and there is none in the body of the post.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
A team of researchers from Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Columbia, Costa Rica, France, Guatemala, Mexico, Peru, Russia, Spain, Switzerland, the UK, and the US all conclude that Native American Ancestors came from Asia. No mention of ISRAEL at all. What are the latest Mormon apologist explanations to explain the Book of Mormon? http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247747.p
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
I did the singles ward thing in the past. However, even if all of the LDS women swooned over you and all you had to do was snap your fingers to have a harem of women surrounding you, it doesn't change the fact that the LDS Church is built upon fraud and deceit. THAT, and that alone, should be the only reason necessary to flee. Any other reasons are just superficial.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
That is such a tough situation. You hate to see family hurt by your decisions that they don't agree with. However, think about how awful you felt when you found out about the Church's lies and deception. I think manipulation is worse than the reality. How will she feel when she finds out you lied and deceived her? My advice would be to have some alone time with your Mom - maybe lunch or s
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
God purposefully and deliberately gives and allows to be given contradictory evidence in order to test the faith of His people. Those who stay true to the faith despite insurmountable and overwhelming contrary evidence are true followers of God's Word and will undoubtedly be highly rewarded after this life. The greater the contrary evidence, the greater the reward for passing the trials of fai
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
The LDS population is minute compared with 100 billion or so humans that have existed on the earth. According to the Mormon Church's own teachings on the Celestial Kingdom, the VAST MAJORITY of those in the CK will be those who never even heard the "gospel" in this life. According to LDS teachings, any child who dies before the "age of accountability" are "automatic&quo
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Who knows, but the LDS Church might even release other "temple products" as depicted in this spoof: http://www.rmwhome.com/LDSarticles/templeproducts.html
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Maybe they will go the other direction and come out with full body garments as decpicted in this spoof: http://www.rmwhome.com/LDSarticles/garmentprotection.html Seriously though, I think the LDS Church will continue to make the "garments" more mainstream and modern, but will never completely get rid of them.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
Yep, I don't align myself with any religion. I'm atheist.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
There are 2 forms - the spirit body and the ressurected perfected body. After death the spirit leaves the body and goes to interim place called "Paradise" (or Prison if bad). The spirit takes an adult form - just as it did in the pre-existence. So, if you were to die and your spirit leaves your body, you may, indeed, be met by other spirits in "Paradise" - all of whom will
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
They now allow you to use the annointing olive oil as a lubricant.
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
I had a hard time believing there were that many positive responses to the video - until I figured out they were being filtered. I seriously doubt my comment will be "approved."
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11 years ago
Moroni Marten
According to Mormons, the "veil of forgetfulness" (WTF IS that anyway) thickens as we age. It is thinnest in infancy. Infants are closer to God and can have memories of the pre-existence, but, alas, they are too young to remember what they remembered when they get older. Huh? Anyway, that is what I'm told. The "veil" also thins at significant events or places - sometime
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