I don't know any of those spots yet, as I'm moving this week. Based on your post, I think I'll start there. So it looks like the group in oc might be the closest one that meets with any regularity.
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Anyone know of any exmo groups in or near Ventura county, California?
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Not Olympus, but close. My childhood wardhouse was directly east of Oly's baseball field. I attended Skyline: class of 79.
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Or, alternatively, for some truly twisted advice you could go talk to your sp, who's a real pro at this kind of thing ;^)
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Reading all the responses advising patience... and taking more hope that it will result in the best outcome for you and for me in my case with my dw, which is the mirror image of yours. I have taken much hope and advice from posts on this issue from SusieQ and Jesus Smith. They have much wisdom to share from their experiences. It's too hard to post links from this phone, but they are easily fou
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27 ¶Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever a looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
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Thanks for the perspective and willingness to share. I completely understand there are no guarantees, and that every situation is different, but others' experiences and the lessons they've learned are comforting and very helpful. I guess I hope that situations with parallels to mine might offer insight to choosing a path with a higher probability of leading to a good place. It makes the patie
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Great post. Gives me hope that my wife and I can find peace, if not agreement. One question, though. When dw is emotional about my disaffection, and says she never would have married me if I had not been able to take her to the temple and share those things with her, and that all her eternal dreams and goals are impossible without my belief, how do you get from there to "agree to disagree&qu
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Those gosh darn athiest scientists are everywhere!! I wish they would just live their godless lives, get out of our faces, and let us live out our fantasies! They really won't even notice the irony... http://m.ksl.com/index/story/sid/26434149
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Thanks for the great post, kolobite. I know you were inspired to write it because of my need to hear it!! My testimony of truth has just been strengthened and edified!
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Nova science now. I believe the video is called something like "Origins of the Bible" or something along those lines. As usual for nova, very well done and informative.
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Agree completely, bc. As one whose dw is still tbm, who also has decided that the high drug use is because we don't "self medicate" with alcohol to the extent the other states do (abracadabra, the data now,support our lifestyle/culture/doctrine), I wonder how yours responds to this type of info.
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Yes. This is an especially " peculiar" corner of the world. Lived my whole life in suburban slc, and it has been culture shock even with my background. It feels better knowing there are other rational people in the vicinity.
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I think you live in my stake. Makes me even happier that I missed stake conf. I've never been able to understand the deference people give that man. He doesn't come across to me as compassionate, or even remotely understanding. He likes to talk a lot - don't they all - just so he can hear how wise he has become. Makes me want to gag. He's the perfect poster man for a Utah County stake pres. He wi
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I've found myself just kind of sitting back and observing the tbms around me and realizing that I used to assess so many things in the context tscc had provided for me. I'm continually surprised how little rational thought is required to live that way, and what intellectual couch potatoes tbms are, including me in the past. I try to use those experiences to keep me aware that I have to conti
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Creating their own definitions of terms (always very malleable, but only when needed to uphold or defend irrational, contradictory, arbitrary, or prejudiced doctrine) that they, in the moment might be using to passed judgement - er, make a point, such as happy, moral, etc. An example would be when my married tbm daughter went to an in-law for advice after I gave her some accurate info re tscc
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I'm on my phone and missed the proofread step! He is an exmo, not Edmonton:o\
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I recognize the voice from that video. It is Dr James Nagel, an Edmonton who was interviewed on mormonstories by John Dehlin. It is long (it's mormonstories, after all!), but one of the best interviews Dehlin has ever done imo. It was a tremendous help for me in understanding how people are so easily fooled by religions such as the Morg, and how ironic it is that humility and integrity are at the
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Bam! You nailed it. I wish I could get all my tbm relatives to read this thread - especially that BY quote, and explain to me how it's all just dandy and worth giving so much time, money, and deference to.
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In my experience, this topic is one with which people consciously choose to remain in ignorance. It's very disquieting for them, even to the point of threatening their ability to maintain their tbm lives, so they just find the quickest easy excuse they can, (God won't require that of me, only those who have enough faith, we don't know all the reasons/answers, etc), go with it, and thus negate any
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This thread just brings up one of the biggest sore spots for me - and I'm a man. I can't understand how my tbm wife or any self-respecting, moral female could just put this one on their shelf, and not have it just collapse. How they can live with this doctrine and not be compelled to really research the religion is completely beyond my comprehension.
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What would "The True Church look like today if it had been left to "follow the prophets" and not required to cede to uninspired demands of law and science?
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