schmendrick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Did you read the post? Yeah -- just quibbling over a word. Nothing more important to add... UD
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wine country girl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There IS a God... > > And she's putting in a Nordstrom Rack at our mall! Remove the "There" and the "a" -- and then reduce "IS" to lowercase, and I'll be half-way towards a agreeing with you. UD (as to the "she" matter -- that goes back about a
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It kinda depends upon how one defines "cult." Probably all religious movements have gone though cult-like episodes; or else some of their adherents have behaved in cult-like ways. Certainly those world-rejecting sects, led by charismatic, self-described "prophets" are prone to cultism. Does Mormonism fall into that category? In certain times and places, yes. Bu
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rt Wrote: ... > Well said. As usual, the historicists needed > little time (about an hour in this case) to > vehemently dismiss even the slightest hint of an > opposing view with classic fallacious > well-poisoning. > > Anyway, I can read German without any problems > (although the guy makes excruciatingly long > Kantian sentences) so thank you for this >
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Coming from an old RLDS family, I was lectured in my youth, by the local LDS authorities, that me and my "ilk" were destined for the Lake of Fire and Brimstone -- to spend a horrid eternity with Satan and his dark angels. Wicked Apostates who reject Brother Brigham always go there. Only bad Gentiles and Jack Mormons who never made it to the Temple would be cast into "
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southern idaho inactive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Defending the Faith: Palmyra and Jerusalem: A tale > of 2 holy lands > > http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865628086/A-tal > e-of-2-holy-lands.html > > Palmyra's a holy land!?? It used to be thought so -- by faithful Mormons. That is, until the "new history" o
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It probably goes without saying, that Byron was a bit surprised at the cool reception his publishing efforts have recently received on this forum. After all, it was in response to questions often raised by ex-Mormons, that he originally began his work of translating Dr. Bauer's seminal writings on the subject of New Testament authenticity. Nevertheless, Byron offers all interested
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Tall Man, Short Hair Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I believe you'll find with a quick examination > that this is popular among some fringe Jesus > mythicist ideologues, but has little respect from > historians. > > A major flaw in the theory is that if any evidence > whatsoever of the Christian faith can be found to > exist pr
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Dr. Bruno Bauer's 1879 2nd edition of "Christ and the Caesars," has recently been reprinted at Xlibris.com This new English translation has been the multi-decade project of Byron Marchant, formerly of Salt Lake City, (whom some of you no doubt remember). Bauer's premise seems to be that Christianity originated as a fabricated religion, designed by Seneca-admiring Roman a
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SL Cabbie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...Kingdom+in+the+West > Thunderation! -- Them's just lies... wicked Gentile lies! No self-respecting Saint would ever open a cover in that thar libary of lies. Why -- if The Church weren't true, our durned enemies could prove that so, with just one single revelation from Eloheim! -- Just a sentence et
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Mormondom - 1849 - Brigham's Plan for a Pre-Millennial Kingdom of God on Earth 1849 -- the year of the "Forty-niners" and the rush to the California gold fields. 1849 -- the year that Brigham attempted to seize half of the American West. Elder Sam Brannan had failed to secure northern California for the Mormons, so Brigham excommunicated that notable historical figure and s
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dalebroadhurst Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >...the modern reader is left intrigued by the >passing mention of an 1844 "schism" in Prophet >Joe's own family. Er, what?? > At the risk of antagonizing our moderators, I'll admit that I once pursued the very question with the TBMs over on the "message board which shall not be
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Following the death of the Smith brothers, in Carthage Jail in 1844, newspaper reporters began to hunt up people who had known Joe Smith in earlier years. Here and there we can find scraps of firsthand knowledge of the Mormon Smiths, provided by their former neighbors and acquaintances. Mostly these 1844 accounts, upon close examination, end up being hastily written, sketchy recollec
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Facsimile 3 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The denial of past polygamy denials seems to be in > the following: > > "He says: we primitive Mormons were charged with > slandering the servants of God when we charged > them with such acts as polygamy. Mr. Sheen, what > kind of polygamy have you reference to? > 'Primitive poly
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After 1852 the Mormon leaders were placed in the awkward and embarrassing position of having to recant their denials of secret LDS polygamy having existed among their members for many years. Mostly those leaders simply side-stepped the issue, and tried to pretend that they had never denied having plural families, spiritual wives, concubines -- or what ever label best fit. Below is
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Shummy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Got any other nuggets in those old drawers of > yours? Yes -- in years gone by I photocopied thousands of old newspaper clippings on 19th century Mormonism. The set takes up two filing cabinets and a small closet. Unfortunately my health problems continue to severely limit my stamina and inclinati
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randyj Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For newbies who haven't studied Mormon history > very closely, this account shows that Mormonism > has always been a huge financial scam, using > religion as a facade. For instance, I learned > from reading Stephen LeSeuer's "The 1838 Mormon > War In Missouri" that Smith and Rigdon's foray
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blueorchid Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As someone whose father could go on non-stop about > the persecution of the Mormons, I really enjoyed > reading all of that. > > None of the Mormons I know who love to claim > persecution know any of the real history that you > have touched on here. > > I found it particularly int
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Mormondom - 1837-38 - No, the Gentiles didn't "Persecute" you As a young fellow in the Reorganized LDS Church, I was used to hearing tearful accounts of how the "Wicked Gentiles" had maliciously driven "God's Chosen People" from New York, Ohio, Missouri, etc. Mobs at night -- with torches and pitchforks. Protestant ministers with rifles, shooting believe
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Mormondom - 1837-38 - No, the Gentiles didn't "Persecute" you As a young fellow in the Reorganized LDS Church, I was used to hearing tearful accounts of how the "Wicked Gentiles" had maliciously driven "God's Chosen People" from New York, Ohio, Missouri, etc.
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Mormondom - 1837-38 - No, the Gentiles didn't "Persecute" you As a young fellow in the Reorganized LDS Church, I was used to hearing tearful accounts of how the "Wicked Gentiles" had maliciously driven "God's Chosen People" from New York, Ohio, Missouri, etc. I naturally believed what I was then told. Those stories came from respected leaders, church
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As a young fellow in the Reorganized LDS Church, I was used to hearing tearful accounts of how the "Wicked Gentiles" had maliciously driven "God's Chosen People" from New York, Ohio, Missouri, etc. I naturally believed what I was then told. Those stories came from respected leaders, church officials, saintly historians. "Why, those greedy, devilish Gentiles
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Shummy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well the linkup between the UP and CP lines was a > dodgey affair so to speak. > > At one point they were laying rail past each > other. > > Promontory Point was chosen after some finagling > involving der Brigmiester as I recall. > > Fascinating time in our history. Thanks Uncle.
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anybody Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've never read this report before and found out > several things I didn't know. Unlike Jim Jones in > Guyana, the Mexican War and westward expansion > gave Brigham Young the space and the means to set > up a cult and run scams beyond Joseph Smith's > wildest dreams. Mormonism Be Damned. Contempo
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[] ROUND THE WORLD SKETCHES. ---- by "Carleton." ----- Solution of the Mormon Problem. ------ SHALL UTAH BE ADMITTED AS A STATE? ------ NO. SIX. In the sketches which have already been given of Mormon life, it has been my aim to set forth fairly the situation of affairs in the territory of Utah, not forgetting that the Mormons are industrious and enterpri
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[] ROUND THE WORLD SKETCHES. ---- By "Carleton." ----- THE PROPHET'S HAREM. ------ THE APOSTLES AND THEIR CONCUBINES. ------ _Brigham at the Theatre._ ------ NO. FIVE. In the Orient there is one institution which has long been established -- concubinage. The modern Turk, the Arab, Hindoo, Feegian, and King of Ashantee all follow the footsteps of
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[] ROUND THE WORLD SKETCHES. ---- By "Carleton." ----- Progress of Polygamy in Utah. ------ LAW OF CONGRESS A DEAD LETTER. ------ The Atonement of Blood. ------- MASSACRE OF MOUNTAIN MEADOW. ------ No. 4. "Is polygamy dying?" I put the question to a leading Mormon at Salt Lake, the other day. "By no means, sir. On the contrar
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[] ROUND THE WORLD SKETCHES. ---- by "Carleton." ----- CAPABILITIES OF UTAH. ------ HOW THE MORMONS INCREASE. ------ No. 3. The population of the Territory of Utah is probably about one hundred and fifteen thousand. Will it increase? Is this still to be the paradise of the Latter Day Saints? Is this earthly Zion to grow in the future as it has grown in th
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[] ROUND THE WORLD SKETCHES. ---- by "Carleton." ----- AN INSIDE VIEW OF MORMONISM. ------ SUNDAY AT SALT LAKE. ------ How Brigham Winds the Mormons Round His Little Finger. ----- No. 2. Brigham Young is the head of the Church Militant of the Latter Day Saints. Of course he is kindly affectioned toward his flock. Most of the Mormons believe in him
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Below you will find a set of six "Mormon Sketches" compiled by the noted 19th century, round-the-world correspondent, Charles Carleton Coffin (1823-1896). I was cleaning out a filing cabinet recently and came across the article xeroxes -- transcribed a few years back -- I don't recall previously seeing Carleton's 1868-69 reporting mentioned on the web. He was the last of the g
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