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8 years ago
schlock
Which is odd. One would suppose that being power-marginalized on 3 fronts (financially, being a second generation U.S. citizen, being an expendable cog in the LDS church), he better than most should be able to sympathize / empathize with others that are also power-marginalized. But it doesn't seem so.
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8 years ago
schlock
THX And good for you, with your adult kids. That seems like the best route, and most healthy dynamic, for all involved. That's the kind of relationship I have with my mom. And consequently, my wife, and my kids, have a great relationship with my mom, and stepdad. Visiting dad is not enjoyable. Visiting mom is enjoyable. Healthy boundaries make for happy people.
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8 years ago
schlock
Mr. Stone really doesn't pine to gheys, wimmen, and brown folk. Personally, I find the above 3 demographics at the top of my "people I like to hang around" list, so I have a hard time understanding sentiments like his...
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8 years ago
schlock
Allowing a narcissist into one's home, is akin to allowing someone afflicted with the bubonic plague into one's home. Consideration needs to made for collateral damage in both scenarios. Let's assume, hypothetically, that if MIL stays in the house, eventually the OP and his wife divorce, due to the stress of this situation. And let's also assume, hypothetically, that the OP and his wife
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8 years ago
schlock
ba-dum-bum-ching
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8 years ago
schlock
So, if I'm hearing you correctly, you're saying that even though the MIL has made a lovely hot mess of her own life, that it's the OP's responsibility to care for her, because charity? I'm more of the belief that the homeless, abused animals, refugees, the infirm, the addicted, the elderly, the powerless, the abused, are the ones deserving of our charity. Those that are where they are due to
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8 years ago
schlock
Yep. And when my ex and I finally divorced, not only was I able to get shed of her narcissistic self, but too, her whole narcissistic family. I was blissfully lucky to escape (looking back). (And I usually hope, in situations like these, that the protagonist finds a way, someday, to extricate himself / herself from the untenable predicament that they find himself / herself in. In realit
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8 years ago
schlock
Or alternately, behind closed priesthood doors, she was told in no uncertain terms to back the fleck down, or she was going to be facing some kind of a disciplinary hearing.
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8 years ago
schlock
Yep: She should definitely have the right to refuse issuing marriage licenses (as the government's designated dispenser of the same). And her immediate boss has the right to immediately fire her (this should have happened weeks ago, no matter who her "boss" is). And if this "boss" doesn't immediately fire her, then that person(s) should be fired, and so on, and so on,
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8 years ago
schlock
And yea, if the state imposes the religious beliefs of a subset of the citizenry on the entire population, then I have a problem, and this action is far beyond the "difference of opinion" realm. Now, state-sanctioned violence is being used to impose the religious views of a subset of the population onto the entire population. Not cool. See 13 year rape victim who is also pregna
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8 years ago
schlock
It is baffling, isn't it dogzilla? But, of course, we've all met the personality that wants to chronically, incessantly complain - for the sake of. But when given some viable, well thought out options of how to extricate themselves from an unpalatable situation, the complainer will refuse to acknowledge that the advice was given, let alone start to consider ways to implement said advice. W
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8 years ago
schlock
And her sex logic, to me, is just baffling. If a man and a woman have sex, and are not married, it's wrong, because even though they can have a child together, they're not married. But if a woman and a man who are married, but who have health issues with their lady and man parts, so they can't have children, well they are okay to hump, and orgasm, because if their bits did work, they'd be m
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8 years ago
schlock
Oy vey. My engineering self is squirming on this one... Philosophically, I am a firm believer in a broad, well-rounded education. It makes for a person better able to navigate through life, with all its tricksies and twists. Logical types need, NEED, a deep, healthy understanding and education in liberal arts, and subjects related thereto. Philosophical types need, NEED, a deep, heal
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8 years ago
schlock
And to the OP, sorry, your thread's been hijacked, and I've been partly to blame. But my original post, and point, still stand: Your ex had no right disclosing intimate details about your sex life together, and his bishop had no right listening. Complete, utter, lack of boundaries and privacy on both of their parts.
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8 years ago
schlock
You didn't answer my question (actually my 2 questions): 1) The morning after pill - what are your thoughts? Is it equally as reprehensible as a woman having an abortion close to the end of her gestation period, when the fetus could easily survive outside of the womb, without medical intervention? 2) The child who is raped, and becomes pregnant - what are your thoughts? Are you assertin
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8 years ago
schlock
Hmmm. How about this one then: Ms. Schlock is bisexual. But she doesn't think it's a sin. So she has sex with men and women. With no lightning bolts. Or hellfire. Or damnation. Or shame. Or guilt. Or remorse. She is thoroughly "in the moment" when she is with another lover. It is a transcendental experience to be part of - to say the least. I'm thinking you, and your bo
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8 years ago
schlock
Not sure I get your point summer. I was raised in the mormon church. That doesn't prevent me from finding their policies and procedure ugly and abhorrent. Nor does that mean I discount others' opinions who were not raised in the mormon church. Wrong is wrong.
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8 years ago
schlock
Or how about the 13 year old girl who is raped by an older cousin, and gets pregnant? I suppose she deserves it too? TOOA disparages the mormon chuch for sex-shaming, then proceeds to use a set of coded words and phrases that are designed to do just that.
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8 years ago
schlock
Um, alrighty then. To paraphrase you: It's horrible when the mormon church jumps into the bedroom of two lovers. It's beautiful when the catholic church jumps into the bedroom of two lovers. It's horrible when the mormon church shames sex. It's beautiful when the catholic church shames sex. Ironic, to the point of being comical. But let me guess, you disagree? (And quick question:
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8 years ago
schlock
Yet, and despite Pope Francis' obvious tilt towards the modern world, the catholic church is still opposed to: - women in the priesthood - gay marriage - the morning-after-pill - contraception Don't pat them on the back too hard, just yet. I'm thinking.
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8 years ago
schlock
Which is why, for me personally mind you, I have a hard time relating to people who leave the church, and then pine to return to its fold. Save for some nostalgia from my youth (which I believe is more tightly woven to being a child than being a mormon), I am gleefully happy to be away from the church, and to be away from my TBM, narcissistic, hypocritical, non-critical-thinking, shallow, mani
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8 years ago
schlock
My now-ex TBM wife told our branch president everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, about our nighttime endeavors. He told her that the following were evil, and needed to be discountinued: - oral sex - mutual masturbation - no garments in bed - etc. I felt completely violated, and I was also a bit puzzled. I was an RM at that point in my life, was a BIC, and had learned to use a fairly
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8 years ago
schlock
My elbows. Or my dog.
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8 years ago
schlock
Yea, it will probably survive for a while yet, even with the shenanigans of congress. "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." ~ George Carlin "The thing about my jokes is that they don't hurt anybody. You can say they're not funny or the
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8 years ago
schlock
Something that might help: My dad is in his 80s. He's woefully inadequate when it comes to emotional connections with others (especially us kids). He's married a hideous excuse for a human being (his second marriage). They are both deeply entrenched in the mormon culture, to the point of absurdity. I've learned to accept what my relationship is with my dad, its lack of depth and substanc
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8 years ago
schlock
Well said, thank you. I love sex. But I love a deep emotional connection with another human being too. Why are the two mutually exclusive? Sometimes I wonder what year we are living in. (And, incidentally, I'm believing that this was a hit & run post, just to get us all going.)
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8 years ago
schlock
And then replaced it with her nickname - huh? To the OP, try a completely random sobriquet the third go-around. Not cool to give up another's anonymity here at RFM, unless you've been given explicit permission to do so.
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8 years ago
schlock
How do you know the bible is true? Oh, that's easy, the bible tells me the bible is true. How do you define a christian? Oh, that's easy, I'm a christian, so I know what a christian is defined as.
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8 years ago
schlock
And . . . there it is.
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8 years ago
schlock
It's not the size of the rock that matters, but how smoothly it rolls.
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