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3 years ago
blindguy
...even though it's off-topic is why the KKK doesn't have a problem with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. According to David Chalmers' history of the Klan, Hooded Americanism, which I read some 20 years ago, during the 1920s, the KKK had several active chapters in the Salt Lake City area, especially in Ogden. It would seem to me that a church that preached polygamy would draw fire
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3 years ago
blindguy
1292. Agreed
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3 years ago
blindguy
Many who are paid to do this come to believe their false message to be true.
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3 years ago
blindguy
I just listened to NPR's Nina Totenberg's report on the arguments of this case today. summer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm going to assume that the coach was hired under > a contract. So, instead of being "fired," wouldn't > that simply be a non-renewal of a contract? I'm > surprised that particular case got as far as it > d
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3 years ago
blindguy
...that the Bible wasn't (and isn't) the basis for the government of the United States. Was the United States founded by white Christians? You betcha! A very good argument can be made that the Pilgrims and Puritans that founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony were the ancestors of today's white evangelical groups. And the white colonists who founded Jamestown in Virginia weren't atheists, either,
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3 years ago
blindguy
And I'll add one more statement on top of the ones you've already mentioned. The basis of the government of the United States is not the Christian Bible as claimed by the late Cleon Skouson and many evangelicals of nearly all Christian faiths.
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3 years ago
blindguy
...I seem to remember a quotation from Jesus in the New Testament (can't remember which Gospel) to the effect that "How can you try to remove the speck from your brother's eye when you can't see the boulder in your own." I'm afraid that that quote holds for many modern-day religious fundamentalists as well as Mormons.
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3 years ago
blindguy
Orin Hatch was ultimately a conformist. The story cited about Paul Dunn and his behavior towards Anita Hill confirm this hypothesis. And ultimately, and ironically, it was the church that he believed in that taught him that conformity.
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3 years ago
blindguy
In a recent NPR story, aging U.S. Supreme Court reporter Nina Totenberg recounted how the supporters of Clarence Thomas went after her when she became the first reporter to air the charges Anita Hill made against Clarence Thomas. They were very angry with her for airing the story because they wanted to make Mr. Thomas become a shoe-in. While the most venomous attacks on Ms. Totenberg's reporting
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3 years ago
blindguy
Yours is certainly an interesting experience, quite different from mine. I currently serve as one of the Arizona Council of the Blind's (AZCB) representatives on the Governor's Council on Blindness and Visual Impairment (GCBVI). Our role is to recommend to the governor and to the state legislature on what should be done to assist blind, visually impaired, and deaf-blind individuals to live ful
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3 years ago
blindguy
While I didn't find anything to do with the whos and whys (I'll speculate on that in a moment), here is a history of the LDS youth programs from the early 1900s until 2019. https://juvenileinstructor.org/history-of-lds-youth-programs/ While it is written from an LDS perspective (see the last paragraph), it is still worth the read. I think my favorite part was the reason why the LDS programs
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3 years ago
blindguy
1302. Agreed...
...and it reminds me of a news story I heard a long time ago, in the 1970s or 1980s, I think, of the marriage ceremony in the Unification Church. In that case, all of the couples were married at the same time on the same day at the same place (in fact, if I remember rightly, it was held outdoors). Outside of a few guffawish moments experienced by some involved, I can't imagine anyone remembering
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3 years ago
blindguy
anybody Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > but it's worse when you see so many people who > claim to be "good" people screaming the same > things -- only they say they are just doing it > because it's "god's will" as a psychological > escape mechanism so they can tell themselves they > aren't Nazis when they are doing the
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3 years ago
blindguy
I think Olderolder is on the right track. Life has absolutely no meaning other than the meaning you as an individual give to it.
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3 years ago
blindguy
"Some things take so long But how do I explain. Not too many people Can see we're all the same. And because of all your tears, Your eyes can't hope to see The Beauty that surrounds us. Isn't it a pity." --George Harrison, "Isn't It a Pity," 1970, from the All Things Must Pass album (in fact, that album contains two different versions of the song). It isn't that what
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3 years ago
blindguy
Last night (well early this morning, actually) after I wrote my last comment on this topic, I got to thinking about why one would put tape around a kid's entire head when all you really wanted to do was tape his mouth shut. Of all of the details in this story, that one seemed the strangest to me. While I can't read minds (nobody can), I think that I've figured that one out. The pastor's behavi
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3 years ago
blindguy
A couple of followup comments: 1) caffiend is essentially correct. IN the U.S. legal system, particularly with civil suits, somebody has to complain and a case has to go to court before it can be determined whether a particular action is legal or not. This is true, even if the action has been determined to have been illegal elsewhere in the U.S. So, in essence, anything can occur, and a judge
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3 years ago
blindguy
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/12/2091560/-Pastor-and-founder-of-Christian-school-arrested-for-taping-kids-mouths-shut-as-form-of-discipline?detail=emaildkre2 According to this article, based on a Washington Post report, the pastor actually placed the tape around the entire head of each of the five offenders, and scisors were needed to get the tape off. As a never-Mormon, I'm curio
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3 years ago
blindguy
Dorothy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Utah's climate is dry. While this statement is true for most of the state, I would argue that it doesn't hold for the areas around Great Salt Lake, where most of the population lives. While I've never lived there year-round, the times I've been there have felt more like saunas than the dry desert terrain around my h
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3 years ago
blindguy
So do I, though to be fair, it is very reminiscent of the Roman Catholic church after the fall of Rome. Basically, the Catholic church took over all of Rome and much of the land surrounding it, and much of that area became known as the "Papal estates." It wasn't until the 1850s when Italy became a fully united country that the Catholic church was forced to give up most of its landholdin
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3 years ago
blindguy
"please quote me the specific Bible verse you are using to justify that." I have read the New Testament, some of the Old Testament, and none of Joseph Smith's books (I was never Mormon). In the New Testament and the portions of the Old Testament I've read, I've never found anything saying that God and Jesus Christ wanted the church to be rich and powerful. In fact, if you take the Bi
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3 years ago
blindguy
Because they are still in development, children's immune systems are not as strong as those of adults. The result is that they do, no matter where you reside, tend to catch every (or nearly every) contagious disease that is floating around. Unless Mormon parents allow their children to regularly play in moist dirt (mud) with a lot of insects flying around, I don't think they should be blamed for
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3 years ago
blindguy
As a totally blind person, I received Supplemental Security Income (SSI) during the time I was in college and my first job and Social Security Security Disability Income (SSDI) after my dad died. If you live in a house that is already paid off and there is somebody else in the residence who is working, then either income source adds a little extra icing on the cake. On the other hand, if you live
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3 years ago
blindguy
How could there be when the religion these people believe in continues to insist that males should do all of the outside work and that females should take care of the home and raise their many children. When I was working as a braille proofreader for the disability office at Arizona State University almost two decades ago, one of the sighted transcribers I worked with was an LDS woman who had
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3 years ago
blindguy
Unfortunately, the problem described is pretty universal. China wants Taiwan and wants to control the action of every Chinese-rooted person whether they are citizens or not. In the good old days of colonization (?), Britain, France, Belgium, and even the good old U.S. of A had similar relationships with their subjects as what Russia wants now. In fact, if you want to see how the U.S. still cur
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3 years ago
blindguy
I'm going to write my responses to two different posts here. First, a lot of my thinking on this issue is heavily based on an article written back in 2017 for The Atlantic. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-nationalists-delusion/546356/ I've never placed a link for it on this Board as it doesn't necessarily pertain to religion; yet the above article has a lot to sa
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3 years ago
blindguy
There is a lot of thoughtful wisdom in this thread. I especially liked Nightingale's research and LW's thinking. Taking all of this into consideration, I would posit that hate is driven by fear. And while I can't comment on individual fears, perhaps I can comment on the fears that are driving the intolerance that Anybody, and many others, including myself, see. In the case of the growing Fa
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3 years ago
blindguy
The term would be a comparative one. If Russia were to invade the U.S., it would start and end with nuclear weapons. And anything those weapons will do, both short- and long-term, will make the Ukrainian situation look like kid gloves. One of the "best" (I'm being ironic here) things the previous administration did was end nearly all of the nuclear limitation treaties with Russia. Ac
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3 years ago
blindguy
slskipper wrote in part: "Buddhism can do just fine without any stories. Mormonism, not so much." The same could be said for Christianity, yet a lot of people still believe it.
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3 years ago
blindguy
I'm now going to say something that may offend some of you. Society at large needs both leaders and followers for it to work properly. If you don't have leaders, followers will do whatever they want without regard to society as a whole. And, if followers are not present, the plans for building structures, both physical and social, will never come to fruition. Of course, there are complications
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