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5 years ago
blindguy
n/t
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5 years ago
blindguy
Many of the arguments you make could also be said about the cases against the Roman Catholic church. Yet I think the Boy Scouts (though I was never one) taught a lot more necessary things (ignoring, for the moment at least, how the LDS church misused Scouting) than the Roman Catholic church ever did. Learning how to live in the outdoors is going to be a necessary skill no matter how technically a
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5 years ago
blindguy
While I didn't grow up in the military or on a military base, my late father served during the Korean War after the military was integrated after World War II. It was during this conflict that my father met the only African-American that he told me he ever liked--probably because that person was as critical of African-americans as my late father was. It should also be noted that the man who bl
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5 years ago
blindguy
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/14/805725359/power-of-the-past-retelling-utahs-suffragette-history-to-empower-modern-women Utah was the first state to allow women to vote--some 50 years before the Constitutional amendment that allowed them nationally to do so. While a group of women in Utah today are trying to honor this history as a means to encourage more Utah women to run for public office, tha
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5 years ago
blindguy
I look at the questions shown and cringe--some people never really grow up and move beyond their own personal needs and desires. Yet, if such a forum had been held when I was in undergraduate college nearly 40 years ago, I would have been the one thinking about asking them. One of the biggest problems in U.S. society is how difficult it is for people with different skin pigmentations to become
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5 years ago
blindguy
While I haven't read any of Elaine Pagels' books (I can't seem to find them in braille anywhere), her response to the deaths of first her son and then her husband reminded me of two events in my family, one (the second) involving me personally. In 1987, my mom's youngest sister lost her husband in an automobile accident. Shortly after that, she thought she saw the ghost of her husband on some
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5 years ago
blindguy
While I agree with your analysis, I'd hesitate to make the BofM a must read for any Honors English class. Unlike, say, Beowulf or even Little Women, the BofM's message is very narrow and not very true.
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5 years ago
blindguy
Some responses: First, I liked Nightingale's suggestions. I think that at the individual hotel level, these would go a long way towards preventing future problems. Second, quoting my last sentence from my original post: "The individual hotels are franchised, and the Mormon Marriott family cannot be held responsible for the behavior of their franchisees, right?" During the 19
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5 years ago
blindguy
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/2/1909000/-Black-Marriott-patron-forced-to-sign-no-party-policy-White-guests-aren-t-lawsuit-alleges?detail=emaildkre From the article: "A black woman is seeking $300,000 in a lawsuit against the Marriott hotel chain after she said a clerk at an Oregon hotel made her sign a "no party” policy that white guests weren’t forced to sign
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5 years ago
blindguy
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/26/791560843/in-preach-podcast-lee-hale-hosts-conversations-about-struggling-with-faith Lee Hale is a reporter for NPR affiliate KUER-FM in Salt Lake City. He is also a practicing Mormon who is undergoing something of a midlife crisis, particularly in regard to his relationship with his religion. This prompted one of the oddest interviews I've ever heard from the pu
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5 years ago
blindguy
Old Al Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ted Callister says in this week’s Church News: > “In truth, this Church ruins its members for any > other church, because, like this missionary, they > know too much. If people leave this Church, they > will usually end up traveling down one of two > paths — either they will become a church unto
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5 years ago
blindguy
Actually, "new thought" wasn't very new at all. It was just a rehashing of the beliefs of John Calvin, the founder of Calvinism, known in U.S. history books as the Puritans. Mr. Calvin believed that the way to know if somebody had God's favor was how much wealth that person had here on Earth; the more wealth he had (and wealthy people in that time were primarily males as in this), the m
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5 years ago
blindguy
What the Pope is teaching on this subject is nothing new to me--it was stuff the Jesuits were teaching when I was going to Jesuit high school and undergraduate college. And, while I don't consider myself to be a Catholic anymore, I still have a soft spot for this kind of thinking, even if it's not wholly realistic. That said, I am much more concerned about something else I heard on NPR this mo
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5 years ago
blindguy
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/789218067/whistleblower-says-mormon-church-abuses-its-tax-exempt-status While I could have added this to the thread started by Lot's Wife, that thread is now almost completely full and the KUER reporter interviewed for the NPR story, Lee Hale, makes a very interesting point near the end of this interview. Mr. Hale said that he interviewed a Loyola of Chicago U
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5 years ago
blindguy
Your non-Mormon coworker was lucky. From some of the stories I've read, some pay day loaners charge up to 200% interest on these loans and higher. In other words, the interest you're being charged can be twice the amount you are actually borrowing, if not more. If your co-worker had been paying that, there is no way in hell she could ever have been able to get out of it, unless she won the lotter
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5 years ago
blindguy
n/t
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5 years ago
blindguy
Mormonism is not the only religion that dislikes gays; so does Christianity (check out Paul's comments in 1 Romans), Islam, and almost any other religion I can think of. Maybe Mormons were the only ones to try to "cure" homosexuality through electroshock therapy, but I haven't confirmed that, either. The fact that Mr. Bruni has received hate mail from engineers living in the New York
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5 years ago
blindguy
While it is true that we are making it more difficult to live on this planet due to our inaction towards and disbelief about climate change, the end of humanity through that will be a (relatively) slow one. More quickly perhaps could be our end if one or another of the world's countries decides to use its nuclear weapons as a means for destroying its opponents. Certainly, human exodus because
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5 years ago
blindguy
Mr. Dawkins is right in a way. The values system used in the U.S. and western Europe has its basis in Judeo-Christian (and Muslim, though many probably would not accept that) mythology. That doesn't mean that you need these mythologies to justify most of the values ingrained into us--you can justify those without religion; however, it does mean that we do have to acknowledge where our values syst
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5 years ago
blindguy
And one correction to LW's post if I may. The original U.S. constitution, as passed by its framers in 1787, said absolutely nothing about religion, the press, gun rights, how accused persons were to be treated, or what powers would be delegated to the states. All of these items became part of the Bill of Rights which the original 13 colonies demanded before they agreed to support the document cre
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5 years ago
blindguy
In Wendy's defense, she probably has more experience with death and grieving than she does with sex (I assume that at least one of her parents is no longer alive). That said, if I had to read a book on surviving grief, I think I would read Judy Collins' book about how she overcame the suicide of her son to Mrs. Watson Nelson's. I really can't imagine that reading more of the Mormon Scriptures and
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5 years ago
blindguy
Susan I/S Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The biggest problem with this list is they don't > start talking about abuse until 7th grade? Are > you kidding me? That is straight up BS. That > should be discussed in K and all the way through > Senior. The younger they are the more they need > someone they can talk to that is NOT in the &g
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5 years ago
blindguy
First, from the snippets I supplied: "In the end, the panel voted to approve a broad framework for comprehensive sex education that it says is age-appropriate and important for young people to know to stay healthy. The board spent hours considering a draft framework for health education that was completed in April. It covers six subject areas: nutrition and physical activity; growth
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5 years ago
blindguy
I've decided to post this as an all-round response instead of trying to respond to everyone separately. To Lot's Wife regarding your response to Macaromney (or was it to me--my screenreader does not show who is responding to whom, and I usually have to guess): I believe (but don't know) that the "kinky sex" Macaromney was referring to was in the listed book the Board ultimately exclu
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5 years ago
blindguy
Macaromney wrote in part: "I'm thinking they should wait to teach kids about kinky sex until they are at least 18 and then discuss it in college level undergraduate work. This is stuff that should be taught in gender studies BA degree, not in public ed." I hate to break the news to you, but high school aged kids are most certainly experimenting with kinky sex. If you don't teach
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5 years ago
blindguy
For better or worse, human beings are social animals. We wish to be accepted among our peers which makes us very susceptible to cults in the first place. I think the defining line for me is not so much what you have to do to be accepted by a group (unless the activity puts your life and/or the lives of others at risk) but rather (as another ex-Mormon remarked on the Black Sheep roster at the Sala
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5 years ago
blindguy
...and religious conservatives don't like it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/05/10/california-is-overhauling-sex-education-guidance-schools-religious-conservatives-dont-like-it/ From the article: "California’s Board of Education is revamping the guidance it gives for teaching sex education from kindergarten through high school in public schools. Even though the gui
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5 years ago
blindguy
That is correct. You cannot force a person to change his/her beliefs against his/her will.
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5 years ago
blindguy
As I pointed out in another thread, people should not be judged upon what they believe; rather they should be judged on their behaviors. These Mormons apparently showed you some kindnesses which, I think, you can be greatful for. However, I would not use that to say that 1) all Mormons are kind all of the time; 2) all non-Mormons are not kind all of the time; and/or 3) I should rejoin the LDS fai
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5 years ago
blindguy
This editorial is crap! The U.S. government is not holding a gun at individuals and saying that you have to eat this or not eat that. It is, however, making recommendations on what people should eat based on scientific discoveries and how various foods interact with most people. Some state and city governments are (correctly) placing regulations on the books saying how bigporportion sizes should
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