Many years ago a young man in our ward went to Argentina. He got very sick with a gastro-intestinal bug. His mission president totally downplayed how sick he was, brushing it off as basically a normal adjustment to the bacterial environment. His parents found out and raised a stink. His mother was kind of a pushy busy-body anyway, and they went up the chain to insist that he get adequate medic
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You know what I find really, really bizarre about this? The fact that Ash seems to think that this will assuage people's questions. Honestly, if I were at the beginning of questioning, and I had just begun to find out about the lies, and someone told me to go read this thinking it would comfort me, I would come away from reading it flabbergasted and angry that the coverup was continuing. And
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Two other blogs have re-posted the piece, plus it is on the Wayback Machine. Mr. Van Allen has given his permission for bloggers to re-post. If the SP goes ahead with excommunication plans, I would like to see everyone with a Mormon-related blog flood the "bloggernacle" with it as a protest. Instead of one obscure blog post, the church can have it everywhere. And I dearly long to he
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One of the rules of the club is that you have a vote. It may be pretty much meaningless, but voting no is specifically allowed, or they wouldn't ask, "Are there any opposed?".
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I am laughing.
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Actually, it was decided before her FIRST appearance in "court." This was the determined outcome from the outset. No surprises here, but it was important for the historical record for her to go through the process. History will see this time as the Mormon Dark Ages.
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Bump.
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Definitely read Devil's Gate. Really good book that tells the true story. My ancestors were there.
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I read it many years ago. Doc was Baptist, but preyed particularly (though not exclusively) on Mormon women. It was probably 30 years ago when I read it, so I've forgotten a lot, but it was haunting.
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The essays strike again. http://anyopposed.org/
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Bob I agree with you. Just tell the truth. It would be so much easier than the continued lying. These guys didn't create the mess the church is in, but they really need to stop digging the deeper hole that they find themselves in. If they would just say the four things you listed the massive sigh of relief across the Wasatch Front would be a mighty wind. Toto has pulled back the cu
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You know the answer to these questions, I presume. It is another question: Can a man have a baby? Because motherhood is full compensation for sexism, dontcha know?
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Haven't listened yet, but reading these comments about his anger and his determination to keep you children in line, I am wondering if he has children and/or grandchildren who are doubting the faith. His one son who is like a college president back east wrote something awhile back that sounded pretty liberal to me (I don't mean "liberal" in the political sense.) I once had a lot o
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Glad to hear from you, Al. You don't know my by my handle here, but I know you. Glad to know you are still around.
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It's not the DC. It's a meeting in August.
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I don't know if that is sexism or not. Maybe if he had written the email they would have called you to confirm that you wanted to resign. It actually seems like a pretty normal thing to do to contact a person who didn't send an email and ask them if they really intended to resign. How else would they know that one angry spouse isn't sending in a resignation for the other spouse?
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No way would I wear a bra designed by anyone under the direction of the COB.
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I wouldn't rule anything out, but I really think it has more to do with the fact that the Utah legislature is newly back in session.
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Can't say about that but I get periodic robo-calls from my ward RS president informing me about ward activities. I actually don't mind. It's minimally invasive as it typically goes onto my answering machine. If you are on the rolls it is probably a call that went out to everyone in the ward who might have been affected. Mormons do a decent job in helping after a disaster.
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I am on the board of a non-profit that helps families and that gets a small annual grant from the LDS church. There are no strings attached. They just give us money and that is their only interaction with us. But that is different than what is described here. It seems really unusual that an individual ward would offer to "adopt" a charity. It might be that they are seeking a prosely
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Sam Brower's book, Prophet's Prey, is riveting. As for religious freedom, crimes committed in the name of religion are still crimes. Like Sam Brower, I consider the FLDS leadership to basically be a crime syndicate involved in human trafficking of underage children. Eleven of their top leaders, including Warren Jeffs, went to prison. More of them should have.
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^^ Which may be part of the reason Celiac Disease is FAR more prevalent than it used to be. It isn't just better diagnosis, either. Researchers tested stored blood samples from the 1940s for gluten antibodies and found that prevalence was much lower then than it is today.
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The demise of the RS was a decades-long process. Harold B. Lee drove the last nail in the coffin when he fully implemented Correlation. At that point RS lost its magazine and its independent fund-raising. Many women were happy to be relieved of the fund-raising burden, but most mourned the loss of the magazine. By that time, however, the magazine was a shadow of its prior self, so it wasn't a
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I know who made that comment, and IMO, it was a very risky comment to make given the person's position. I don't doubt that it is also very true.
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I'm perversely glad to see this happen to well-educated, well-to-do people for a change. Usually they pick on poor people. When it happens to people who can stand up to them, and who can get media attention, it boxes their ears a bit and makes them back off a little.
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I was asked a couple of times when I was a young adult. I wasn't ever asked when I was a minor. But that was in the 60s. I think it is more common to ask now.
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I agree that this is deceptive, but I am kind of loving the fact that they think they have to address the problem of people learning stuff they hoped had been permanently swept under the rug. TBMs will be reassured by it, but they were already reassured even before the church printed this. Those who have actually come across the "new information" are not going to be satisfied or molli
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Years ago I put in writing in my burial plans that I did not want my face veiled. That was when I thought I would be buried in temple clothes. I think that when my mother dies I will not veil her face. I'm not sure I'm even going to dress her up in her temple clothes. It won't be a family issue. She is active in the church but nobody else is. I'm sure she expects to be buried in temple clot
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I have read on FB that a number of women have refused to veil, and that temple presidents in some places have instructed workers not to force the issue. Also I've read several first hand accounts of women who do not veil. One said she regularly doesn't veil and the last time she went the temple worker asked her something like, "Did you intend not to veil?" and when she said yes the wo
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If they are smart they will deep-six the idea of doing one on women's roles in the church. No matter what they say plenty of Mormons will be truly pissed. There is simply no way to touch that subject without either alienating the ultra-TBMs or coming across like the chauvinistic patriarchs that they are. They are in such a hole on women's issues that they really need to stop digging.
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