Holy cow, Dale, that's pretty rediculous! Man, I'm just amazed at how brainwashed so many people are. I just had it out with a TBM over the differing accounts of the first vision. I simply asked him to provide me with any diary accounts, conversion stories, sermons, speeches, etc that mention Joseph Smith's 1838 first vision account before that time.
All he said was, "I was looking for
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