Here's my theory. No one is that good at being genuine. At least some of the apostles and presidency have got to be TBMs, and some are lying SOBs. They protect the innocence of the rest of them. Who would be in which group or are they all lying bastards?

"...each new member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles is given one million dollars to take care of any financial obligations they have. This money gift allows them to fully focus on the ministry. He said that the overriding consideration of who is chosen is whether they are 'church broke,' meaning, will they do whatever they are told. He said the senior six apostles make the agenda and do most of the talking. The junior six are told to observe, listen and learn and really only comment if they are asked. He said that it takes about two to three years before the new apostle discovers that the church is not true."

(Ref. http://mormonthink.com/grant9.htm)

$1M can buy A LOT of 'sincerity'.

Here's what they say to the newbies:

http://youtu.be/2tsP-YmJ5RQ

Peter Lynch of Magellan fame??

Anyway, they're all lying bastards.

Just a Lynch reference. He wasn't ever Mormon as far as I know.

NONE. The only way to be a prophet or an apostle is to fervently disregard fact, truth, personal integrity, and human decency.

Whether they are lying to themselves or duping others, they are among the worst that humanity has to offer. They are dog sh!t.

blueorchid Wrote:
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They are dog sh!t.


That's mean! That's a horrible, mean thing to say about dog sh!t!



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You are right. I apologize to all dogs everywhere.

+1

Wrong spot



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I managed to read something that I shouldn't have read, and I can say for certain that one of the apostles genuinely believes.

I reckon there must be a few that don't believe though, but I'd imagine most of them do.

I watched about 2 minutes of elder bednar's tithing talk. I had to stop. There was something about his eyes that put me off. They were just 2 black holes. No emotion behind them at all. Like he was just a robot, parroting the party line. If he is genuine anything, he's genuinely been brainwashed.

I think getting a look behind the scenes is a jolt to the system. Also, knowing other GAs would mean questioning their decsions and seeing screw ups and innappropriate behavior. Plus you'd be shown things and be asked questions you just can't answer all the time.

It wouldn't surprise me if GAs start doubting.

The way Holland acted during the interview with the British guy was very telling. His body language and speech patterns told me everything about him... He doesn't believe and is putting on a false front. This guy is a complete faker and I can tell it gnaws at him, but he's trapped.

Would you happen to have a link to that interview or know where to find it? Thanks!

Thank you very much!

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I made the mistake of reading the comments from die-hard Mormon tbms. Ugh. Judging by the poor grammar and spelling mistakes and the outright disjointed thoughts, these commenters would be the new 18 yr old mishies that the Mo-mos bandy about.

The one million is just the tip of the iceberg. We do not know what happens under the table, outside of seeing some property records, knowing books sales, and executive positions in LDS companies.

We do not know the other perks, such as contracted services to insiders, tax free money under the table, tuition for family members, huge political power in Utah etc.

My guess is that each of these executives get millions of dollars a year that the membership is unaware of.



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They are all impersonators, charlatans and fakirs.

Each and everyone of them know it.

They also know that the gig is almost up!

Hence Dieters inoculation talk of "mistakes were made" and the "come join us...come back shane" talk.

Dieters talk was a trial balloon to see how much the TBM's would misinterpret its meaning for future admissions of Corporate screw-ups.

And it's looking again like TBM's bought it hook-line-& sinker!

Or so it seems to me...

I believe they believe they believe. Because perception is reality, that's all that matters.

A GENUINE BIGOTED MYSOGYNISTIC BASTARD

Mark Twain wrote: Show me where a man gets his corn pone (soup), and I'll show you where he gets his opinions.

I worked in the fibre-board industry for twenty five of my working years and have a small pension to show for it. You'll never hear me trash talk synthetic wood.

For Mormon leaders, their income is their faith. Never believe a paid salesman.

I don't believe you can rise that high in such a corrupt organization without stepping on many necks and pulling the wool over a lot of eyes.

They are accomplished liars who would not hesitate to look you straight in the eye, smile, and pick your pocket. They are all crooks and they all know it.

They have way too much invested in that pile of garbage that passes for a religion to ever admit that any of it might smell bad.

Thank you Don and catnip. That is exactly it.

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> I worked in the fibre-board industry for twenty
> five of my working years and have a small pension
> to show for it. You'll never hear me trash talk
> synthetic wood.

Ah, composition board--a mishmash of rendered wood product fashioned into something which passes for the real thing, and serves certain limited purposes. Great analogy for the syncretistic mishmash of Mormon theology. Nothing but doctrinal woodchips, glued together.

(No offence to your stellar career, Don!)

Genuine assholes.

They are all liars and they do so knowingly. The leaders of the church have been in on the scam from the start.

If you doubt it, read:
http://mormonleaks.com/

Probably the same percentage of the top leadership of the Roman Catholic Church.

It is so nice to receive honest opinions here. Not the sugar coated kind you get from TBMs.

HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE:

Many of you have posted on here about the instances when you have met the GAs in public. Their behavior gives them away.

Pure Assholes

Sorry--I posted this a couple of days ago as a separate thread which didn't get much response. But I think it's apropos. For "genuine" just substitute "sincere."

A recurring theme on this board is the sincerety of belief, or its lack, on the part of TSCC's leadership. I have my own views on the question, but in the end it doesn't matter. Even if we concede their sincerety, they are lamentable human beings, because sincerety, in itself, is a highly overrated virtue.

The Albigensians (or Cathars), Medieval heretics from Catholicism living in southern France, were unquestionably sincere. But equally sincere were their persecutors, the crusaders sent against them by Pope Innocent(!?) III. At the massacre of the citizens of the city of Beziers, a Cistercian monk is reputed to have been asked by a soldier how they were to distinguish Catholics from Cathars. The "man of God's" answer: “Kill them all. God will recognize his own.” And these sincere Christians proceeded accordingly. As many as 20,000 men, women, and children were murdered.

Unmitigated sincerety of belief has triggered some of history's most woeful episodes right up to the present day. The 9/11 hijackers were sincere in their beliefs. So what? In my mind, they are nevertheless contemptible. Sincerety must be tempered by empathy and a willingness to admit fallibility or it is mere fanaticism. Even Oliver Cromwell, in exasperation, once said "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken." Too bad he didn't often take his own advice.

So sincerety of belief does not excuse the big 15 for perpetuating a fraud. Nor does it excuse the ordinary exploited and oppressed average members for aiding and abetting that perpetuation. We may well pity them, empathize with their plight, and try to live with them as comfortably as we can, but in the end their very sincerety is the lamentable reason that they live lives of quiet desperation.

Just-sayin'-again-ly yrs,

S