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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 04:56PM

President Zuma of South Africa just made the announcement and gave a wonderful eulogy-type speech.

Imagine your legacy being known as the father of a nation and icon of peace.

Not too many people like this cross our sphere.

May his soul rest in peace, as the President said.



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Posted by: kativicky ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 04:59PM

I agree!!! He definitely fought for what he believed in.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:10PM

The history of Mormon Church origins, doctrines, policies and practices (haltingly and reluctantly abandoned, bit by bit, over time but in terms of LDS canonized scripture, still not completely expunged--nor will they everbe), has been one of maligning, denigrating and judging Black people as supposedly being "spiritually inferior" in the eyes of the Mormon White supremacist god.

The Mormon god was born a racist. As hard as LDS apologists try to shed their racist reptilian skin, that wretched reality will never go away.

Nelson Mandela's legacy will long outlive the Mormon one.



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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:41PM

I wanted to compare Mandela and his life and times to the teachings of Mormonism and its leaders but didn't have the words. Thank you for that.

Nelson Mandela was warm and gracious, humourous and kind. He held to the highest ideals and stated that he would die for them if need be. After 27 years of harsh imprisonment he emerged, blinking in the light, having forgotten how to tie his shoelaces and, as one news commentator said, the world held its breath. And Mandela turned the other cheek. He forgave and worked with his captors and amazingly, in so doing, achieved his great goals for his country and society as a whole.

Of course Mandela won the Nobel Prize for peace.

All too many others who call themselves leaders are merely pretenders. Our world needs more of the Mandela spirit and a great share of his dignity and peacefulness as well.



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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 09:01PM


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Posted by: Senoritalamanita ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:12PM

He led South Africa out of apartheid in 1994.

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Posted by: sparta ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:32PM

Sleep peacefully Madiba.

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Posted by: Tom Padley ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:38PM

A sad day for all humanity!

And please inform TSCC that he DOES NOT need his temple work done. He, like many incredible people who have also passed away, will not need that kind of hocus pocus. He is a shoe-in.

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Posted by: pioneerrose ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:40PM

Tom Padley Wrote:
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> A sad day for all humanity!
>
> And please inform TSCC that he DOES NOT need his
> temple work done. He, like many incredible people
> who have also passed away, will not need that kind
> of hocus pocus. He is a shoe-in.

AMEN!

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Posted by: armtothetriangle ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 06:45PM

+ 1,000

Rest in peace, Madiba.

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Posted by: finalfrontier ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:57PM

Nature dealt President Mandela a favorable hand. Not everyone gets to live to 95. It is a shame for the world to loose him, but his legacy, contribution to South Africa and the world will go down in the history books. He will never be forgotten. That is true immortality.

If there is an afterlife, rest in peace Nelson Mandela. You of all people deserve it.

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Posted by: Helen ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 05:57PM

What courage President Mandela displayed as he walked the "Long Walk To Freedom". RIP.



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Posted by: jbug ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 06:04PM

He was a great man who made the world a better place. I believe he is going to a great reward.

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Posted by: Levi ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 06:55PM

It's amazing how much news I get here on rfm.

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Posted by: get her done ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 07:13PM

Great Man

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Posted by: eldorado ( )
Date: December 05, 2013 07:48PM

He was a truly great man, who did so much for the world we can all learn from him.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: December 06, 2013 04:03PM

Thanks for the nice comments, everyone.

You can't compare yourself to an icon, can you, or you could end up feeling pretty badly about yourself and your, by comparison, miniscule accomplishments. Whenever my brain, unbidden, starts to do the supremely unequal comparison between such great figures and me I have to quickly get myself back on track by using the mantra that all we can do is what we can do for our own place, person and time and we each can provide a legacy within our own circle and community.

I wasn't born with disadvantages or destined to be a great leader or visionary. I don't beat myself up about that (well, not much). But I do what I can where I've planted myself. Maybe one of the little war refugee kids I accidentally adopted for a time will make a difference in the world and I would be entirely satisfied with that (not having kids of my own - children are a strong legacy that people can give to the world, I believe, just not me!)

I've heard differing opinions about whether Mandela came out of prison after 27 years, turning the other cheek like some kind of amazing saint because he didn't feel bitterness or anger or hatred, or whether it was his chosen way to achieve the bigger goals. Either way, he played his cards fabulously well and he will be an example for the ages.

I hope that during the observances and services for this great man people are inspired for years to come to focus on the positive and to do good in whatever ways they can in their own environments. Sadly, the inspiring moments are too few and usually they dissipate quickly. I hope this time we can hold on to the vision a bit longer. They say that Mandela had a great quality of absolute stillness, serenity. I can only hope, pray, strive, to find more serenity, for my own sake and all those who cross my path.

I am so glad that Nelson Mandela's suffering due to ill health is over at last and that he can truly rest in peace now.



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Posted by: thingsithink ( )
Date: December 06, 2013 11:20PM

"Maybe one of the little war refugee kids I accidentally adopted for a time will make a difference in the world and I would be entirely satisfied with that"

You made a difference in her world. That's more than enough to be satisfied with. Greatly satisfied.

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: December 06, 2013 04:10PM

To honour Mandela's life and work, everyone should buy ten copies of Max Blumenthal's *Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel* and give nine away as presents of peace.

http://www.amazon.com/Goliath-Life-Loathing-Greater-Israel/dp/1568586345/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386364131&sr=8-1&keywords=Goliath

Human

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 06, 2013 10:40PM

"FW de Klerk: world Has Lost a Great Unifier with Nelson Mandela's Death: South African president who freed Nelson Mandela, shared Nobel prize with him and joined him in first post-apartheid government, says 'he lived reconciliation and was never bitter'"

"FW de Klerk, the South African president under whom Nelson Mandela was released from prison, has said his country and the world have lost 'a great unifier.'

"De Klerk shared the Nobel peace prize with Mandela in 1993 for brokering the end of apartheid and, when the ANC leader was elected president in the first multiracial election, entered into a government of national unity as his deputy.

"De Klerk, 77, said in remarks to the BBC: 'It's a very sad moment for the whole of South Africa and I'm sure millions of people around the world.

"'I fully associate myself with the dignified and feeling statement President Zuma made. I became good friends with the late Nelson Mandela.

"'We had our moments of tension . . . but after our retirement and at times during his presidency we became very close. He was a remarkable man – his biggest legacy will be emphasis on reconciliation, a remarkable lack of bitterness,' De Klerk said.

"'He lived reconciliation. He was a great unifier.'

"On CNN, De Klerk said: 'There was an immediate, I would say, a spark between the two of us, and notwithstanding the many spats we had, I respected him and I always liked him as a person. He was a magnanimous person. He was a compassionate person.

"'He was taller than I expected – he was ramrod straight. He looked one in the eye very directly, he was a good listener and I could see very easily that he had an analytical approach to discussions, which I liked very much. I was really very impressed with him at that first meeting.'

"De Klerk first met Mandela on 13 December 1989 when the ANC leader was still in prison – 'we both reached the conclusion that we would be able to do business with one another' – and again two days prior to Mandela's release on 11 February 1990.

"'It was an honour for me to have been able to work with Mr. Mandela in the process that led to the adoption of the interim constitution and our first democratic elections in April 1994," De Klerk said.

"'Although we were political opponents, and although our relationship was often stormy, we were always able to come together at critical moments to resolve the many crises that arose during the negotiation process.'

"De Klerk and his wife, Elita, said in an official statement that they conveyed their condolences to Mandela's wife Graca Machel, the Mandela family and their friends, the African National Congress and the rest of South Africa.

"'South Africa has lost one of its founding fathers and one of its greatest sons.

"'I believe that his example will live on and that it will continue to inspire all South Africans to achieve his vision of non-racialism, justice, human dignity, and equality for all.

"'Tata, we shall miss you, but know that your spirit and example will always be there to guide us to the vision of a better and more just South Africa.'

"In a memorable concession speech, after the ANC won the historic April 1994 election, De Klerk said: 'Mandela will soon assume the highest office in the land with all the awesome responsibility which it bears. He will have to exercise this great responsibility in a balanced manner which will assure South Africans from all our communities that he has all their interests at heart. I am confident that this will be his intention.

"'Mandela has walked a long road, and now stands at the top of the hill. A traveller would sit and admire the view. But the man of destiny knows that beyond this hill lies another and another. The journey is never complete. As he contemplates the next hill, I hold out my hand to Mr Mandela – in friendship and in co-operation.'

("FW de Klerk: world Has Lost a Great Unifier with Nelson Mandela's Death: South African president who freed Nelson Mandela, shared Nobel prize with him and joined him in first post-apartheid government, says 'he lived reconciliation and was never bitter,'" by Warren Murray, "The Guardian,," 5 December 2013, at: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/06/fw-de-klerk-nelson-mandela-death)



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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 06, 2013 10:52PM

. . . vowed to see destroyed:

"Sharpeville Massacre in South Africa," at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTYjrT50bTA



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