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Posted by: get her done ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 07:18PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxqYlFCSt3w



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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 08:15PM

Different rules apply to churches than to other charities. For one, they have no requirement of public financial disclosure in the US. Second, they get a pass on anti discrimination laws. Organizations they own do not get a pass (hospitals, schools), but the church itself does. For example, churches do not have to provide contraceptive coverage under Obamacare, but hospitals owned by churches do. They are fighting this in court, and I don't know where that stands, but churches are definitely exempt.

The claim is often made here that the 1978 policy change on black males and the priesthood was caused by a threat of losing tax exemption. I very seriously doubt that was the case. Gender discrimination is also illegal. LDS. Inc does not let any women into its ruling bodies. Nobody is worried about them losing their tax exemption over that. Can somebody explain to me why gender discrimination got a pass, but not racial discrimination? Until then, I will assume they both got a pass with churches.

This "loss of tax exemption" fantasy is a hugely popular exMo wet dream, but the only way that will happen IMHO is over a major financial scandal, which I do not anticipate, though it could happen. Discrimination won't do it, and neither will political activity. The IRS allows a certain amount of issue oriented political activity by churches, and LDS Inc isn't even close to those financial limits.



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Posted by: armtothetriangle ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 08:45PM

A religious organization losing its tax exempt status, as you said, is a reach. To threaten higher eds with losing 501(c)3 however is different. Based on what I read here, that was the case. The precedence for the threat was was set during integration in some private Southern Ivies. Had the Equal Rights Ammendment passed, there might be a basis to threaten revocation of tax exempt status in church owned colleges and universities if the church discriminates against women. Are you aware of any civil court cases against the cojcolds for gender discrimination?

Steve Benson posted the information re the end of the priesthood ban. Hoping he'll weigh in and give you the background.

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Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 09:02PM

The guy in that video is one of our own--possibly the OP, if I'm not mistaken. :)

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Posted by: Carol Y. ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 09:23PM


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Posted by: Carrots Tomatoes and Radishes ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 10:04PM

He's got good videos

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Posted by: happydecemberween ( )
Date: December 28, 2015 04:22PM

He does, indeed. The only person I like watching more is Sean Mccraney.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 12:02AM

Oops. My opening editorial comment was both irrelevant to the rest of the post, and harsher than I meant it to sound. I was thinking "this is video. You need to dial it back at least two notches."

That said, video accentuates hyperness. Try to channel your inner William F Buckley.

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Posted by: get her done ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 10:06PM

I may be annoying but have you read the 501C3 irs regulations and the sections on discrimination. Until you do you sure are welcome to comment showing your lack of education on the subject. Annoying is not a choice, stupidity is.

650,000 hits and 207 youtube countries don't find me that annoying, but you have your opinion.



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Posted by: sanitationengineer ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 11:49PM

It appears he has read the anti discrimination sections of 501(c)3 regs better then you as he does have a handle on the difference between non religious tax exempt charities and religious organizations. Unfortunately both the corporation of the president of cojolds and the corporation of the presiding bishopric both are religious organizations and are not subjected to the same standards as non-religious tax exempt charities.

Also you might want to tone down your stupidity talk when you can't even get the subchapter heading from the tax regs correct in either your post or your video.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 12:17AM

I'm impressed.

Now explain why LDS Inc doesn't lose its tax exemption over gender discrimination. The failure of passing the ERA is not the reason. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was not a Constitutional Amendment either. Gender discrimination has the same level of law backing it up as racial discrimination has.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 10:21AM

Specifically, BYU in Provo, Utah, then-Ricks College in Rexburg, Idaho and the then-Church College of Hawaii, as well as other Mormon Church-owned schools,

--Color It Contrary: The Case of Mormon U.S. Solicitor General Rex Lee--

Reacting to Mormon mouthpiece Olsen’s dubious claims, Gary Anderson, in a letter to the editor of the "Salt Lake Tribune," countered:

"I was quite surprised by LDS PR man Bruce Olsen's attack . . . regarding the Mormon Church's motivations for abandoning its anti-Black doctrine . . . .

“His bold assault is particularly amazing in light of the fact that history ‘distortion’ and ‘invention’ have been trademarks of Mormonism since its inception. Of course, the risk in Mr. Olsen's gallant tossing of the gauntlet is that someone might just pick it up.

“For example, it didn't take much investigation to discover that in 1981 the Solicitor General of the United States, Rex Lee, a Mormon, recused himself from a case against Bob Jones University.

“In that case, the U.S. government was threatening to revoke Bob Jones University's tax-exempt status because of its racist policy of prohibiting interracial dating.

"When asked why he took himself off the case, Mr. Lee explained that previously when representing the Mormon Church in a similar case, he had argued that the Church should retain its tax-exempt status despite its racist policies and felt conflicted from arguing an opposing view in the Bob Jones case. (see, 'The Tenth Justice,' [by] Lincoln Caplan, Knopf, 1987, p. 51, note 2 . . . p. 293).

“If the [Mormon] Church's tax-exempt status was never threatened by the U.S. government because of its racist policies, why was Mr. Lee making such an argument, presumably in an era before 1978?

“Given Lee's explanation, Olsen's ‘categorical’ assertion that federal tax law was never a motivating factor in the Church's 1978 change in racial policy rings disingenuous. One thing true history teaches us is that secrecy breeds dishonesty.

“It's fairly easy for Mr. Olsen to hide behind the tightly secured vaults in the Church Office Building and demand proof. If he was a true knight, he would throw open the doors to the vault and invite inquiring minds in to examine the minutes of meetings held by church leaders in the months and days leading up to the 'revelation,' so we might decide for ourselves the Church's actual motivation for the change.

"What's that you say, Mr. Olsen? Salamander got your tongue?"

(Gary Anderson, Springfield, Virginia, letter to the editor, "Salt Lake Tribune," 22 April 2001)

http://www.salamandersociety.com/blacks/


In the book to which Anderson refers, author Caplan notes, in fact, that U.S. Solicitor General/Mormon Lee (who would eventually become president of BYU) did recuse himself from the case of Bob Jones v. IRS, wherein the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that religious schools which practice racial discrimination could be constitutionally stripped of federal tax exempt protection. Lee, writes Caplan, bowed out of the case because Lee had previously petitioned the IRS for tax exempt refuge in behalf of the racially-discrimnatory Mormon Church. Lee, notes Caplan, begged off because, given his previous advocacy for the color-bound Mormons, he now considered it improper for him to argue in behalf of the IRS against color-bound Bob Jones University.

From Caplan’s book:

”Rex Lee . . . who had been sworn in as Solicitor General seven months before [the Bob Jones brief was filed in 1982], had once represented the Mormon Church when it faced a problem like Bob Jones's and, to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, he had taken himself off the case.” (p. 50)

“In 1970, the Internal Revenue Service ruled that Bob Jones no longer qualified for tax-exempt status because of [its] segregationist policy, so the school changed it. Blacks could be accepted if they were married to other Blacks, or if they promised not to date or marry outside their race . . .

"By the time of the Supreme Court case, a decade later, the number of Blacks attending the school was less than a dozen, making the ratio of Whites to Blacks about 550 to one.

“From the vantage point of the Solicitor General's office, the legal issue in the Bob Jones case was routine. It was a tax question.” (p. 53)

As one unpersuaded skeptic points out regarding the Mormon Church’s unpersuasive denials over its threatened tax-exempt status:

”If the IRS had never threatened the LDS Church's tax exempt status, why was Lee arguing over it and race with the IRS on the Church's behalf?”

Another understandable doubter observed:

"The only thing he [Olsen] stated is that the [Mormon] Church never was 'threatened' by the [federal] government, NOT that the Church wasn't worried that such a thing *could* happen and was watching court rulings [like the one that was occurring in Wisconsin] to see if they could continue discriminating against [Black] members.

"Yes, it is possible to lose tax-exempt status for discrimination--Bob Jones University lost it once for its interracial dating policy."

http://www.lds-mormon.com/taxes_priesthood.shtml


It should be pointed out here that although Lee recused himself from the Bob Jones case, the reasons why he did so are not universally agreed upon.

As one contributor on the RfM board, (formerly known here as "nao crer") has noted:

”It has been stated that he [Lee} did this because he had been previously involved in a discrimination case involving the Mormon Church. . . . He had been the dean of the BYU Law School which was one of the schools that would have been affected by the Bob Jones decision. That also would have been a reason to recuse himself. In 1986-87 Rex Lee did argue the Corporation of Presiding Bishop v. Amos, 483 U.S. 327 [1987] case and did not feel it was a conflict.”

(“What we DO know about the 1978 ‘revelation,’” RfM post by “nao crer,” nao_crer@yahoo.com, 8 February 2006; and idem, “Re: We do the best we can with the sources currently available,” RfM post, 8 February 2006)


Below is the text of "nao crer/Jim Huston's" case (which expands on his RfM posts), arguing that the Mormon Church eventually reversed itself on its anti-Black priesthood ban because, among other concerns, of fear of loss of its tax-exempt status for being designated by the U.S. government under the federal tax code as an organization promoting racial discrimination:

"In 1969 [LDS Apostle] Hugh B. Brown actively lobbied to allow Blacks to receive the priesthood. This was supported by a majority of the Apostles. They formed a 'special committee was to report on the Negro situation.' The change was approved while [Mormon Church president] Harold B. Lee was absent. Upon his return he rejected the decision and persuaded the Quorum to rescind the vote. The reaffirmation of the restriction was a collaborative effort of [Apostles] Neal A. Maxwell, Gordon B. Hinkley and G. Homer Durham. (Michael D. Quinn, 'The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power,' p. 14)

"For decades Spencer W. Kimball had been troubled about this race restriction. (ibid., p. 15) At the cornerstone-laying ceremony for the Brazilian temple 9 March 1977, Kimball privately told Helvecio Martins to prepare himself to receive the priesthood. He pointedly asked if Martins 'understood the implications of what President Kimball had said.' (ibid., p. 16)

"On March 23, 1978 he began discussing the matter with his [First Presidency] counselors. Kimball met privately with individual Apostles who expressed their 'individual thoughts' about his suggested end to the priesthood ban. (ibid.)

"After discussing this in several temple meetings and private discussions, Kimball wrote a statement and presented it to his {First Presidency] counselors on 30 May. He then asked his counselors and apostles to 'fast and pray'……at their temple meeting on 1 June. At the temple council that day 'the feeling was unanimous . . . . '" (ibid.)

"On 7 June 1978 Kimball informed his counselors that 'through inspiration he had decided to lift the restrictions on priesthood.' In the meantime he had asked three Apostles (including Boyd K. Packer) to prepare 'suggested wording for the public announcement of the decision.' (ibid.)

"A letter written to [Apostle] LeGrand Richards on September 11, 1978 corroborates this reason. Chris Vlachos wrote to LeGrand Richards confirming the content of explanations he had been given concerning the revelation. LeGrand Richards acknowledged the letter and in part said, 'It wouldn’t please me if you were using the information I gave you when you were here in my office for public purposes. I gave it to you for your own information, and that is where I would like to see it remain.'

"Here is an excerpt from the letter LeGrand Richards was confirming:

"'One of the most interesting items which you mentioned was that the whole situation was basically provoked by the Brazilian temple—that is, the Mormon Church has had a great difficulty obtaining Priesthood leadership among the South American membership; and now with this new temple, a large proportion of those who have contributed money and work to build it would not be able to use it unless the Church changed its stand with regard to giving the Priesthood to Blacks.

"'I believe that you also mentioned President Kimball as having called each of the Twelve Apostles individually into his office to hear their personal feelings with regard to this issue. While President Kimball was basically in favor of giving the Priesthood to Blacks, didn’t he ask each of you to prepare some references for and against the proposal as found in the scriptures?' (quotes taken from photostatic copies of the letters found in 'SI Banister – For Any Latter-day Saint')."

"The decision was monetary without a doubt. It was also very political. The Mormon Church could easily lose face. The Mormon Church had spent over $50 million on a complex in what was one of the countries producing the most baptisms. It was the new South American distribution center for all materials. It was also the new regional church offices.

"The Mormon Church views temples as profit centers. When a temple is built, they have an identifiable increase in all revenue from the area, and specifically tithing. (Richard and Joan Ostling, "Mormon America")

"There were not enough people with verified ancestry to run the temple, let alone be patrons. Even with the change, missionaries were taken from the field and trained as temple officiators and veil workers to man the temple for the first month it was open.

"As far as dates, the revelation was made June 1978 and the temple dedication was October 1978. Initial training of workers was held in September. Very tight time frames by Morg standards."

Besides the problem of Brailian Blacks not being able to enter or officiate in the newly-built LDS Brazilian temple (thereby depleting the available temple worker work pool), there was the looming threat of the Mormon Church being stripped of its tax-exempt status for advocating and practicing racial bias against Blacks:

"Then there is the issue of the tax exempt status. First you must understand that educational non-profits are treated differently than religious non-profits. Here is an explanation of how religious non-profits are treated.

"In the U.S., the Internal Revenue Service . . . grants non-profit status to churches, synagogues, temples, mosques and other religious organizations. This is of tremendous financial benefit.

"Meanwhile, clergy and other employees are guaranteed free speech under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. They are free to voice their opinions and beliefs, and advocate changes to legislation. They can attack women's freedom to obtain an abortion. They can advocate that special rights be reserved for heterosexuals, and not extended to gays and lesbians, including the right to marry.

"Christian Identity, neo-Nazi groups, and everyone else are free to engage in hate speech against women, racial minorities, sexual minorities, immigrants, and other groups. A pastor in Texas recently called on the U.S. Army to round up and execute area Wiccans with napalm. The tax exempt status of his church was not threatened. Religious groups can promote a stand on other similar 'hot' religious topics, from spanking children to the death penalty and physician assisted suicide.

"They are even allowed by the IRS to contribute small amounts of money and resources to the fight for changes in legislation. In the words of the IRS regulations: 'No substantial part of (church) activities (may consist of) carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting to influence legislation.' Unfortunately, the term 'substantial' is not defined precisely in the service's regulations.

"The IRS was putting pressure on private schools to stop discrimination with the US vs. Bob Jones University. This ruling would directly affect BYU, Ricks, CCH [Church College of Hawaii] and other U.S. Mormon [Church]-owned schools. These schools are organized under separate non-profit corporations which are owned by the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As you can see from the following excerpts from case document[s], the Bob Jones University case was directed at educational non-profits. This would have affected the Morg, but not the core [LDS Church] corporation.

"On January 12, 1970, a three-judge District Court for the District of Columbia issued a preliminary injunction prohibiting the IRS from according tax-exempt status to private schools in Mississippi that discriminated as to admissions on the basis of race. (Green v. Kennedy, 309 F. Supp. 1127, appeal dism'd sub nom. Cannon v. Green, 398 U.S. 956 [1970]) Thereafter, in July 1970, the IRS concluded that it could 'no longer legally justify allowing tax-exempt status [under 501(c)(3)] to private schools which practice racial discrimination.' (IRS News Release, July 7, 1970, reprinted in App. in No. 81-3, p. A235)

"At the same time, the IRS announced that it could not 'treat gifts to such schools as charitable deductions for income tax purposes [under 170].' (ibid.) By letter dated November 30, 1970, the IRS formally notified private schools, including those involved in this litigation, of this change in policy, 'applicable to all private schools in the United States at all levels of education. . . ' (see id., at A232).

"BYU, Ricks and CCH probably received this letter.

"On June 30, 1971, the three-judge District Court issued its opinion on the merits of the Mississippi challenge. (Green v. Connally, 330 F. Supp. 1150, summarily aff'd sub nom. Coit v. Green, 404 U.S. 997 [1971]). That court approved the IRS's amended construction of the Tax Code. The court also held that racially discriminatory private schools were not entitled to exemption under 501(c)(3) and that donors were not entitled to deductions for contributions to such schools under 170. The court permanently enjoined the Commissioner of [461 U.S. 574, 579] Internal Revenue from approving tax-exempt status for any school in Mississippi that did not publicly maintain a policy of nondiscrimination.

"The IRS's 1970 interpretation of 501(c)(3) was correct. It would be wholly incompatible with the concepts underlying tax exemption to grant tax-exempt status to racially discriminatory private educational entities. Whatever may be the rationale for such private schools' policies, racial discrimination in education is contrary to public policy. Racially discriminatory educational institutions cannot be viewed as conferr'ng a public benefit within the above 'charitable" concept or within the congressional intent underlying 501(c)(3). (pp. 592-96)

"The government's fundamental, overriding interest in eradicating racial discrimination in education substantially outweighs whatever burden denial of tax benefits places on petitioners' exercise of their religious beliefs. Petitioners' asserted interests cannot be accommodated with that compelling governmental interest, and no less restrictive means are available to achieve the governmental interest. (pp. 602-04)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=461&invol=574

"Rex Lee recused himself from the case. It has been stated that he did this because he had been previously involved in a discrimination case involving the Mormon Church. I have looked for further information about this but have not been able to find any. If anyone has information about original source information, please let me know. He had been the dean of the BYU Law School which was one of the schools that would have been affected by the Bob Jones decision. That also would have been a reason to recuse himself. In 1986-87 Rex Lee did argue the Corporation of Presiding Bishop v. Amos, 483 U.S. 327 (1987) case and did not feel it was a conflict.

"Corporate Sole is the safest organization for a racist 501(c)(3) . . . The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is a Corporate Sole."

"Here are [some] groups that are registered Corporate Soles in the state of Washington and recieving federal tax exempt status:

"--Harrie A. Schmidt Jr., state chairman of the Populist Party, which is run nationally by Ku Klux Klan leader Kim Badynski.

"--Glen Stoll, a Populist Party member who also is involved in the Embassy of Heaven, an anti-government religious organization based in Sublimity, Ore. Stoll was the leader of the Liaison Group, which called for militia members across the Northwest to assist Whatcom County constitutionalist Donald Ellwanger in a 1995 standoff with the IRS.

"--Doyal Gudgel, also active in the Liaison Group, but best known for organizing events in Seattle for David Irving, a British man who denies the Holocaust happened.

"Despite huge holes in the secretary of state's database, Lunsford was able to spot about 50 corporation soles associated with white supremacists, militiamen, constitutionalists or people who deny the Holocaust. He discovered some supporters of the Christian Identity, anti-government group Posse Comitatus had set up "soles" as early as 1979.

http://www.skeptictank.org/corpsoul.htm

"These are non-profits registered for religious purposes:

"The Creativity Movement (TCM) is a non-Christian, non-profit, religious organization, with their head office in Illinois. Creativity [doctrine is] based on the eternal laws of nature. Their prime objective is: 'The survival, expansion and advancement of the White race.' They regard themselves as being motivated by a love for the White race. This implies extreme hatred of non-white races. They are overwhelmingly hate-filled towards Jews, African-Americans, and other non-Whites. They hate homosexual behavior. However their concern in this area appears to be muted in comparison to other White-supremacist organizations.

"The Heritage Preservation Association (HPA) is a non-profit membership group whose purpose is to 'fight political correctness and cultural bigotry against the South.' To that end, the HPA declared 'Total War' last January on those who allegedly attack Southern heritage, focusing especially on the NAACP and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference because of those groups’ opposition to the Confederate battle flag in South Carolina. Over the last three years, the HPA has worked closely with the white supremacist League of the South to stage pro-Confederate flag rallies and similar events, and in 1999 HPA President P. Charles Lunsford joined the League.

"The NAAWP, like David Duke, has tried to hide its hate but its racist and anti-Semitic views, like those of its founder, are evident. 'NAAWP News,' the group's newsletter, has regularly published articles with titles like 'Anti-Semitism is normal for people seeking to control their own destiny;' 'Jewish control of the media is the single most dangerous threat to Christianity;' and 'Why most Negroes are criminals.'

"From what I have found, the [LDS Church spokesman quote from Bruce Olson] . . . was consistent with the Morg's use of half-truth. [Olson's]statement . . . only addressed the [Mormon] Church as a religious organization. He was not addressing the related issue of the Mormon owned schools: 'It's one thing to distort history, quite another to invent it. Kathy Erickson . . . claims that the federal government threatened the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with its tax-exempt status in 1978 because of the Church's position regarding Blacks and the priesthood. 'We state categorically that the federal government made no such threat in 1978 or at any other time. The decision to extend the blessings of the priesthood to all worthy males had nothing to do with federal tax policy or any other secular law.'

"The Morg was not threatened directly; however their wholly- owned schools were threatened. The financial ramifications in conjunction with the possible political embarrassment made an untenable situation. I wonder if it was engineered it part by SWK. He was a supporter of the change in 1969. Building the temple in Brazil may have been his way of forcing the issue."

(For the full-text version of this critically revealing research paper authored by the above-cited RfM poster, "nao crer"--who has subsequently posted in this thread under the name "Jim Huston" and who has offered a link to his paper, see: http://jhuston.com/Documents/what_we_do_know_about_the_1978.htm)
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Posted by: get her done ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 12:04PM

Steve, you are the best, I just bow my head and say yes. So well done.

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Posted by: Phazer ( )
Date: December 28, 2015 12:34PM

Church owned schools were threatened. Not the Church itself.

http://jhuston.com/Documents/what_we_do_know_about_the_1978.htm

"The statement by LDS spokesman Bruce L. Olsen only addressed the Church as a religious organization. He was not addressing the related issue of the Mormon owned schools."


”It's one thing to distort history, quite another to invent it. Kathy Erickson . . . claims that the federal government threatened the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with its tax-exempt status in 1978 because of the Church's position regarding Blacks and the priesthood.


“We state categorically that the federal government made no such threat in 1978 or at any other time. The decision to extend the blessings of the priesthood to all worthy males had nothing to do with federal tax policy or any other secular law.


"The Morg was not threatened directly, however their wholly owned schools were threatened. The financial ramifications in conjunction with the possible political embarrassment made an untenable situation. I wonder if it was engineered it part by SWK. He was a supporter of the change in 1969. Building the temple in Brazil may have been his way of forcing the issue. "


"On January 12, 1970, a three-judge District Court for the District of Columbia issued a preliminary injunction prohibiting the IRS from according tax-exempt status to private schools in Mississippi that discriminated as to admissions on the basis of race. Green v. Kennedy, 309 F. Supp. 1127, appeal dism'd sub nom. Cannon v. Green, 398 U.S. 956 (1970). Thereafter, in July 1970, the IRS concluded that it could "no longer legally justify allowing tax-exempt status [under 501(c)(3)] to private schools which practice racial discrimination." IRS News Release, July 7, 1970, reprinted in App. in No. 81-3, p. A235. At the same time, the IRS announced that it could not "treat gifts to such schools as charitable deductions for income tax purposes [under 170]." Ibid. By letter dated November 30, 1970, the IRS formally notified private schools, including those involved in this litigation, of this change in policy, "applicable to all private schools in the United States at all levels of education. (emphasis added) " See id., at A232."


"BYU, Ricks and CCH probably received this letter."

"On June 30, 1971, the three-judge District Court issued its opinion on the merits of the Mississippi challenge. Green v. Connally, 330 F. Supp. 1150, summarily aff'd sub nom. Coit v. Green, 404 U.S. 997 (1971). That court approved the IRS's amended construction of the Tax Code. The court also held that racially discriminatory private schools were not entitled to exemption under 501(c)(3) and that donors were not entitled to deductions for contributions to such schools under 170. The court permanently enjoined the Commissioner of [461 U.S. 574, 579] Internal Revenue from approving tax-exempt status for any school in Mississippi that did not publicly maintain a policy of nondiscrimination."

"The IRS's 1970 interpretation of 501(c)(3) was correct. It would be wholly incompatible with the concepts underlying tax exemption to grant tax-exempt status to racially discriminatory private educational entities. Whatever may be the rationale for such private schools' policies, racial discrimination in education is contrary to public policy. Racially discriminatory educational institutions cannot be viewed as conferring a public benefit within the above "charitable" concept or within the congressional intent underlying 501(c)(3). Pp. 592-596. "

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Posted by: nightwolf983 ( )
Date: December 29, 2015 12:12AM

Not that it will happen any time soon, but I think churches should lose tax exempt status if/when they get involved in politics. And we all know how much time and money they put into Prop 8.

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Posted by: misterzelph ( )
Date: December 26, 2013 11:45PM

I agree with BOJ. New temple in Brazil was the chief reason for the 1978 revelation.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 12:40AM

I was a mishie in Brazil pre-1978. As soon as I heard the announcement of a temple in Sao Paulo, Brazil, I knew the policy was going to have to change or there would be a total church melt-down in Brazil. There were too many good members there who had some African ancestry, usually discovered after they had joined the Church.

The change came 12 weeks before they started training temple workers, and 16 weeks before the temple opened for ordinance work. There were lots of pressures to make the change, but I am convinced the temple was the straw that broke the camel's back. the universities boycotting BYU, and the resultant bad publicity was most of the rest of the load on the camel.

I have read Steve Benson's post of a year ago where he presents a circumstantial case that the change was over losing tax exempt status. I didn't find the case made compelling. The data collected was excellent, as it always is with Steve's work, but I didn't see enough there to make the case. I don't think the tax exemption was in any danger whatsoever. That would have been the most momentous church-state controversy in the history of the nation, and President Carter would have broached it with President Kimball in a phone conversation, and the church changed their policy a few weeks later? Seriously?

Anyone who has ever dealt with an IRS investigation knows there is a blizzard of paperwork involved, and it takes years to resolve. Further, if the church's tax exempt status were cancelled, you can bet the church would haul the IRS into court in a heartbeat, and almost certainly win. There are checks and balances on the IRS too - they don't just get to issue edicts ex cathedra.

It was the temple and horrible PR at home.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 12:48AM

I was at another university at the time, and the BYU sports programs were taking a lot of heat from other schools. There was a near universal contempt for BYU at the time. No one wanted to play them. The pressure on BYU in this one area alone was enormous.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 02:18PM

. . . for the reasons supporting that conclusion here:

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,533952,533952#msg-533952



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Posted by: deco ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 12:27AM

This will certainly draw attention for argument to make churches disclose their financials since the taxpayer continues it subsidize them.

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Posted by: mrjones ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 03:12PM

I thought that this board was about recovery from Mormonism, not issues of gay vs straight. It seems like they gay community won't be happy until they have forced everyone into their camp through threats of litigation. I resigned years ago, and do not have allot of sympathy for Mormonism. However, if their moral beliefs disallow gay marriage that is their business and all of these legal threats are going to backfire at some point in time. If you want to be married by clergy who will validate gay marriage their are plenty elsewhere.

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Posted by: get her done ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 04:48PM

Part of recovery is understanding the history and present doctrines of the cult. Gay marriage certainly meets these recovery standards. However we feel, about the subject is ok, but how the mormons have handled it for nearly 200 years is important to understand to recover from this cult.

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Posted by: mrjones ( )
Date: December 27, 2013 05:29PM

I don't recall gay marriage being an issue 200 years ago...So what history are you speaking about?

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Posted by: Phazer ( )
Date: December 28, 2015 12:35PM

The text is so small in that link. I'll have to take some time and upsize the text in my browser to get through this history.

"The Abominable and Detestable Crime Against Nature":
A Revised History of Homosexuality & Mormonism, 1840-1980

by Connell O'Donovan

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Posted by: Justice ( )
Date: December 28, 2015 09:09PM

Perhaps IRS CI Chief Richard Weber is working on just that, the Morge's Tax crimes

http://www.sltrib.com/news/3312132-155/irs-investigated-thousands-of-financial-crimes

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