From the article: "The church states that Utah’s alcohol laws and regulations are based on well-reasoned and sound public policy considerations adopted by Utah’s legislature, not on the Church’s religious doctrine regarding alcohol."
WHAT-FUCKING-EVER. Everyone knows that any time the Church speaks the legislators blindly obey. This is the reason Utah's liquor laws are so incredibly stupid. With this new statement, it sounds like the stupidity will not be going away anytime soon. I need to get out of this goddamn state.
I am SO SHOCKED that TSCC opposes changes. I needed that today. LOL. I am SOOO HAPPY to live out of Utah!!!!!!!!! I am here in alcoholic city, so NOT!
"The church states that Utah’s alcohol laws and regulations are based on well-reasoned and sound public policy considerations adopted by Utah’s legislature, not on the Church’s religious doctrine regarding alcohol." - of course it has nothing to do with TSCCs religious DOCTRINE regarding alcohol." So this is DOCTRINE now? They sure pick and choose "doctrine" according to which pair of socks they put on that day huh? Utah is the only state with such moron liquor laws. But those laws are based on "sound public policy considerations adopted by Utah's legislature." - and how many of Utah's legislature are TBMs? ABout 100%. GAWD I AM HAPPY TO BE OUT OF UTAH!!!!!!
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adage about self-destruction applies to The Brethren.
"There they go,shitting in their own lunch again!"d
I believe this comes from the farmer/rancher's frustration at putting out hay for livestock to eat and seeing a quarter of it literally going to waste due to the trampling, peeing and pooping on of the farmer's labors.
"Once they pay the same taxes as the citizens then fine, they can have an opinion, until then they need to butt out and keep their doctrine to their congregation and leave the rest of the world the hell alone!"
dsharp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I love this comment on the link lol > > "Once they pay the same taxes as the citizens then > fine, they can have an opinion, until then they > need to butt out and keep their doctrine to their > congregation and leave the rest of the world the > hell alone!" That comment is right On target!
When are they going to get that taking any position is a bad position. This just makes the church look more and more Utah centric. When is the last statement they made about Australian legislature? Aren't they the "true church" over their too?
Our grocery, drug and convenience stores all sell alcohol. I don't have to buy the alcohol and never once has the product jumped in my cart and forced me to buy it. Clearly, mormons need more self control.
adage about self-destruction applies to The Big Boys.
"There they go,shitting in their own lunch again!"
I believe this comes from the farmer/rancher's frustration at putting out hay for livestock to eat and seeing a quarter of it literally going to waste due to the trampling, peeing and pooping on of the farmer's labors.
“…Alcohol policy in Utah is closely tied to the moral climate of the state...." (Translation: Word of Wisdom)
The church states that Utah’s alcohol laws and regulations are based on well-reasoned and sound public policy considerations adopted by Utah’s legislature, not on the Church’s religious doctrine regarding alcohol.
Some more of that good old controlled behavior through means of compulsion . Now who in Hell was responsible for that doctrine according to TSCC ? Oh that's right ... Uncle Satan !
The LDS seems to be slowly losing control in so many ways. They are losing the battle against gay marriage on the political front. They are even losing it internally with about 1/3 of Utah's Mormons favoring Gay Marriage. Women are starting to assert themselves how ever slightly, they are starting. They have had to take steps to redefine themselves and address some of the history issues we all know so well.
If they do not show they can still command a leadership role somewhere, they will become irrelevant, even in Utah.
For years in Utah, you had to buy an airline mini bottle if you wanted a single drink.
When the powers that be in Utah finally admitted that it was possible to sell liquor by the drink without society collapsing, they went from requiring the mini bottle, to banning it. Serious. You cannot legally own a mini bottle of liquor in Utah.
So, if you need 3 T of a liquor for a recipe, or simply want to try something without plunking down for a whole bottle you might not like, you are SOL in Utah.
Everywhere else in the country, you can buy a mixed drink, or you can buy a mini bottle. It never ever occurred to them to make one or the other illegal. Just Mormons, who have an inborn need to jerk people around. Jeez.
"You better do what we say. We still own this state even if Mormon Think hits are up and no matter how many times people watch the BBC Jeff Holland is a lair video on Youtube!"
I think Utah could be like other states and not lose a dime. They could still tax liquor sold in retail establishments. They could probably come out ahead by selling the state owned liquor stores. The state owned liquor store exists because TSCC wants people to be inconvenienced and shamed. In small town Utah if your car is parked in front of the liquor store, all of your neighbors know that you drink. For shame.
I live in Kentucky now instead of Utah. Kentucky has a ton of "dry counties," and I live in one. You'd never know it though.. The county seat is not dry at all, in fact has dozens of drive-in liquor stores within it's generously large city limits. Each little county makes their own laws and there's 120 of them. The fact that Utah has state control instead of county control is telling. The legislature of Utah is mostly Mormons, and they want to drive that bus.
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LDS,INC is still really angry that favorite son Mitt Romney lost the presidential election and the mormon moment is gone. He & his precious religion is now just the butt of jokes.
My guess is that the church is also irate that same sex couples were allowed to marry in mormon controlled Utah, if only for a day or two.
LDS.INC is not going to play nice anymore. No accommodations for non-TBM Utahns. They agreed to that during the olympics and it produced next to zero converts. Those darn olympic visitors only wanted to drink beer,trade pins and socialize! Very few were interested in temple square or mormonism.
….and one more thing. Next door colorado is selling legalized pot and they didn't even ask Utah if that would be okay. Mormon leaders are getting no respect! Sheesh
"Thank God the (majority LDS) legislature has its official marching orders now. Who knows what kind of bedlam would’ve occurred on the hill without this guidance."
"My issue with this is not whether alcohol is good, bad or indifferent. It's very simple; religion does not belong in politics - and, if it wants to be in politics, it should have its tax exempt status taken away - that's any and all religions."