Date: February 14, 2014 08:17PM
Yes, they will write themselves into the Haiti relief, the Louisiana relief, etc. If they've got photos, then it happened. Got the T-shirts. Only thing missing is the actual relief.
I have had personal experience of them denying me help in finding and helping a lost child because they had no way of verifying that I was an "active" (read: tithepaying) member because it was a weekend.
This pseudo church using standard risk-avoidance policies typically found in corporation, rather than any Christian standards of charity/love like the ones espoused by the person they named their church for.
When I was with the Faith in Action program, the Mormons would not even help their own (as urban myths suggest they do). They would not chip in to help the community elderly and they didn't care if we helped them instead of them. By contrast, other religions were aghast if we helped someone without giving them the first opportunity to help their own members.
Date: February 14, 2014 08:18PM
I agree years ago it was family first, then tscc. BUT in recent years that has changed. I know of an old age pensioner who had a lot of health problems and needed things like daily swims and exercise to keep her healthy as well as lots of medications. She lived in government housing and ran a small car as getting on and off buses was impossible for her.
She went to her Bishop with an itemised budget showing that she could JUST survive on her pension, but CERTAINLY NOT pay tithing. The Bishop told her of a Protestant run charity that provided food to anyone who applied. So this lady went weekly to this charity, was given food and used the money she saved to pay TITHING!!!! I was DISGUSTED!!
This lady was very capable of supporting herself on her old age pension and was doing fine, with her self-esteem in place for doing so. BUT by doing this she was DEPENDANT on a charity. I felt SO bad about that. Personally I ould HATE that unless the need was really genuine. Also how DARE tscc send her to another church so she could pay tithing to them? That charity was set up for people in need. I am sure they did not begrudge this lady her food, BUT she could have managed just fine without it but for the insistance of tscc in having its 10%!!!!! All this allowed her to go to the Temple. Needless to say I had my say. She was fine with my opinion, and didn't say a word, I think deep down she agreed with me.
This is in OZ too, but I am sure it is true of other places.
The Church I joined in 1966 as a young teenager has definately CHANGED!!!! I suppose it is the ongoing power hunger of a cult. There must be studies into it and how it all works. I have read a little, but need to look further now I can see.
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Date: February 15, 2014 05:21PM
Another AMAZING story, Fluhist. So, if I understand correctly, by taking groceries from a REAL church while tithing the Mormons were actually being funded, underwritten, tithed to, by other churches. The same other churches Mormons stick their collective noses up at while driving past on their way to the temple.
Talk about complete insanity, they'll wrap electrodes around a young man's testicles and light them up for having a same sex attraction all while letting a tithe strapped family suffer hunger and other hardships often easily handled by dispensing a little something called mercy. Of course, I'm sure the reasoning for not giving hardship exemptions is that everyone having a hard time would want one. Well.....yesss, but isn't that the point of being classified a "CHARITY?" But, if you're only a corporation pretending to be a charity, then it makes perfect sense.
Truly, Mormons know no shame whatsoever. It's so ironic that the most inferior of this earth's religions the Mormons should be the most arrogant of them all.
Oh, and for those of you who say those electrodes are all in the past so it's not fair to discuss them anymore, I say as long as there has been no public apology for everyone to hear, it's all still on the table and fair fodder for open discussion. And add to that, as long as things like Prop 8 are still happening, there's no reason to believe anything has really changed at all, attitude wise.
Date: October 17, 2015 02:18AM
I am an ex Catholic...if there is ever such a thing and I'm a new Mormon...because my friends are and I need a church in my life.I find it very secretive and when you ask difficult questions there's always someone to tell you that you need to have faith and accept....well I don't do that easily, I need to know what I'm getting into. It interests me that the 'high up' Mormons I know appear to be able to afford what they want and I wonder do they have a secret reward system for obedience...surely the lord does not supply brand new vehicles, beautiful homes....anyway, my qurstion today is about tithing. I am an Australian Aged Pensioner,I have the same expenses as veryone else, lately I've needed to spend more on my health do pull in the belt a bit. Some bills I have to pay off on agreement.I survive on approx $400 AUD perfortnight...that includes everything and excludes entertainment, holidays, special food, clothing and even house maintrnance of latr since I had an accident that put mr in a wheelchair and made me incapapblr of all the labour I did atound the place.....oh, and I pay a mortgage of $270 a fortnight...so that leaves mr less than $400 fortn.
I've been enterprising, I've lived in this old house for 30 years and when I could I earnt some $$$ with artwork. Now all I have is my Govt.Age pension that used to be a Disability Pension...too disabled to be employed.
What's the definition of "Excess","Interest and "Income"? I do not get any of these!
How to pay 10% on nothing?
Who will bail me out of I don't pay my bills? and
Who will pay for me to see a private Specialist Physician I need to see...and that's just some of it!
Last week I drove 300kms to the nearest city to see a Specialist with just enough money for petrol for my 25 yr old car taking a cucumber sandwich for lunch and no other money....whilst the 'priest' drove the same distance in a brand new vehicle with all the bells and whistles to go to the theatre.
The Mormon scriptures state "excess"...
To me that means whatever you have left after all dutiful payment for goods and services and food and medecine. Yet that's not how the authorities see it....All good Mormons pay 10% up front on what their income is before they pay anything else.
If I want to rengotiate my mortgage...the bank wants to see a statement of my income...and...a Government Age Pension, by law, is not considered as INCOME.
I do not have a valid income that I might present to a bank as proof of being able to afford the new mortgage amount.
So how to pay tithes on 10% on what is not considered in the world of finance to be Income?
Forget..'Excess'! Forget interest" I have no money yeilding investments.
Until I solve this problem I am considered to be living in the world of Satan and cannot be admitted to the Temple and if I die I won't be let in one of the heavens where people see god! Mmmmmm....answers anyone?
Date: October 17, 2015 02:29AM
> I am an ex Catholic...if there is ever such a
> thing and I'm a new Mormon...because my friends
> are and I need a church in my life.I find it very
> secretive and when you ask difficult questions
> there's always someone to tell you that you need
> to have faith and accept....well I don't do that
> easily, I need to know what I'm getting into. It
> interests me that the 'high up' Mormons I know
> appear to be able to afford what they want and I
> wonder do they have a secret reward system for
> obedience...surely the lord does not supply brand
> new vehicles, beautiful homes....anyway, my
> qurstion today is about tithing. I am an
> Australian Aged Pensioner,I have the same expenses
> as everyone else, lately I've needed to spend more
> on my health so pull in the belt a bit. Some bills
> I have to pay off on agreement.I survive on approx
> $800 AUD perfortnight...that includes everything
> and excludes entertainment, holidays, special
> food, clothing and even house maintrnance of late
> since I had an accident that put me in a
> wheelchair and made me incapapble of all the
> labour I did around the place.....oh, and I pay a
> mortgage of $270 a fortnight...so that leaves mr
> less than $800 fortn.
> I've been enterprising, I've lived in this old
> house for 30 years and when I could I earnt some
> $$$ here and there.Now all I have is my Govt.Age
> Pension that used to be a Disability Pension...too
> disabled to be employed even in my youth. I have no family at all.
> What's the definition of "Excess","Interest and
> "Income"? I do not receive any of these!
> How to pay 10% on nothing?
> Who will bail me out of I don't pay my bills? and
> Who will pay for me to see a private Specialist
> Physician I need to see...and that's just some of
> Last week I drove 300kms to the nearest city to
> see a medical Specialist with just enough money for petrol
> for my 25 yr old car taking a cucumber sandwich and a bottle of tap water
> for lunch and no other money....whilst the
> 'priest' drove the same distance in a brand new
> vehicle with all the bells and whistles to go to
> the theatre.
> The Mormon scriptures state "excess"...
> To me that means whatever you have left after all
> dutiful payment for goods and services and food
> and medecine. Yet that's not how the authorities
> see it....All good Mormons pay 10% up front on
> what their income is before they pay anything
> If I went to rengotiate my mortgage...the bank
> wpuld want to see a statement of my income...and...a
> Government Age Pension, by law, is not considered
> as INCOME.
> I do not have a valid income that I might present
> to a bank as proof of being able to afford the new
> mortgage amount.
> So how to pay tithes on 10% on what is not
> considered in the world of finance to be Income?
> Forget..'Excess'! Forget interest" I have no
> money yeilding investments.
> Until I solve this problem I am considered to be
> living in the world of Satan and cannot be
> admitted to the Temple and if I die I won't be let
> in one of the heavens where people see god!
> Mmmmmm....Don't know what to believe.....answers anyone?
Date: October 17, 2015 08:34AM
Please start a new thread with your query. We want you to get the answers that you need.
As an ex-Catholic myself, I have to say...did you ever jump from the frying pan into the fire! For heaven's sake, you would be so better off in a regular Christian church (i.e. Methodist, Presbyterian, Anglican, ELCA Lutheran, etc.) Please, please, please, rethink your conversion to Mormonism. The Mormon church is a *highly* controlling religion similar to the JWs.
As for tithing, please don't give the Mormon church a dime. The church does *not* need your money. The church owns the massive City Creek retail and residential complex in Salt Lake City, the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii, many other commercial properties, and dozens of for-profit businesses. The Mormon church is (by far) the largest landowner in Florida! And church president Monson is driven around in a special Audi that cost more than half a million dollars.
YOU desperately need your money. Please do not let the church steal it from you. The temple ceremony is nothing special. It was ripped off of the Masons (Joseph Smith and his cronies were Masons.) You can find videos of the ceremony online. As a former Catholic, do you really believe that you have to learn special handshakes to get into heaven?
Mormon church authorities should be ashamed of themselves for extorting money from pensioners such as yourself. Yet they feel no sense of shame. I understand your beef with Catholicism, but at least the Catholic church does genuine charity, and doesn't request more money of you than you can easily give.
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Date: October 17, 2015 12:32PM
No idea what is done with most of it, but some local here donated a bunch of peanut butter to the local (secular, though most of the volunteers are various church folks, especially my Episcopal church) food bank. I know because I have some from the last couple of times I had to go.
I have no problem eating it, either. At least it's going to good use.
Directing people to other churches deliberately is disgusting - mine will help anybody from the community, but relying on that so as to send more $$$ to SLC? F**k that. Jerks.
I will say that outside the Morridor there is a general perception that Mormons take care of their own, but inside it, all the non-Mormons I know know waaaaay better.
Date: February 15, 2014 03:52AM
I live in Salt Lake City, and the cult doesn't help us, either. When my husband abandoned us, and took all our money, I went to the bishop for help, and he told me to pay tithing anyway (I didn't have any cash at all for utilities or gas, and he said to sell something and take the bus) and that "The Lord" would take care of me and my children. I decided to take care of things myself. I did sell a lot of my possessions, but instead of paying tithing, I hired an attorney and got child support. Yes, the cult has always said, "Ask your own family for help fist," even since I can remember, and maybe even before that. The largesse of Mormon welfare is just a myth.
The only people the church really helps (in Salt Lake or anywhere else) are the RELATIVES of higher-ups. Their hiring practices reflect that, as well. In Mormon society, "It's who you know."