Any quick explanations folks?

Even smartass ones?



*time's up*



Well, here's how it was revealed unto me through the ethers.

It's because of the space-saving advantages of a hieroglyphic language. One little icon can say an entire sentence (or two).

Bear with me.

Imagine if you will, the symbol in hiero is a simple @ .....but it translates into ".....and it came to pass".

Surely you can see the obvious advantage my dear disbelievers but trust me.......

I may have to go back to church I'm so shaken by this blinding revelation.

Crazy.

Anyhoo, ya'll think I have a shot as a cushy well-paid 'Reformed' Exmo Fair-ey apologist?

tbms would God commanded reformed Egyptian to be the language of the BOM.

I love your placement of the word "would".
aah, Mormon memories.

I would that all might receive the blessings of reformed Egyptian.

Some expat Jews wrote in Greek. I don't know if that counts.

Anyway, I think the missing Jewish traditions in the Book of Mormon is more damning than the issue of reformed Egyptian.

archytas Wrote:
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> Some expat Jews wrote in Greek. I don't know if
> that counts.
>
> Anyway, I think the missing Jewish traditions in
> the Book of Mormon is more damning than the issue
> of reformed Egyptian.


Bingo.

Why wasn't Nephi obsessed with kosher law for example? Didn't Horny Joe say they had pigs plus other goyim garbage?

Never mind that the BoM contains little substantial doctrine.....does Moses ever even get quoted about his law like the other ancient goat herders did, ad naseum?

Pray tell us, where's the hebrew beef?

Purely out of spite. I have heard that muslim clerics are writing law interpretations in hebrew....could be similar. It was a great article at the O'Nion network.....you know out of NZ.

Yea and verily, Greek and Hebrew writings canst be found elsewhere in civilization. Alas! reformed Egyptian thou canst not find outside of the claims of JS.

Shummy,

You have shown amazing aptitude for reformed Egyptian and should, within the next century, have people standing in line to talk to you about assisting them in deciphering. Check your horoscope for today. It will verify the truth of my prophecy.

Over an' out.

Not that I'd ever forget it but I have to remind myself of my own 3 week pilgrimage to Egypt and the holey land back in '81.

Saw lots of Egyptian but couldn't tell if it was reformed.

Pretty sure it was Nephi who reformed it cause he had trouble reading parts of the brass plates of Laban, a portion of which was in plain ol Egyptian.

It was the pornographic parts that he was keenest to save for future generations but it was hard to read words in the seductive language of the Nile. . . . so his imagination took hold.

Anyway, I was 33 back then and now as I approach 66 I am reminded that I was born on the 22nd .........so it's time to go check my horoscope.

:o)

Gee I wonder what the hieroglyphic looks like for my name, VerilyVerily
as in my full name VerilyVerily IsayUntoYou....

<V>/ is probably it.

When I think of reformed Egyptian, I always try to see Cleopatra after plastic surgery rather than thinking of any TBM crap.

And speaking of more reformed Egyptian, take a look at this:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/katy-perry-dark-horse-video-blasphemes-muslims-want-123155951.html#3GoMZ6u



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verilyverily Wrote:
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> And speaking of more reformed Egyptian, take a
> look at this:
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/katy-perry-dark-horse-vid
> eo-blasphemes-muslims-want-123155951.html#3GoMZ6u


Ooooooh she's hawt.

Reminds us of the kind that those early generation Nephites must have been like......

sex-crazed reproductive record-setting ribald raunchy rabbits.

And to share further light and knowledge to which I'm privy...

The compelling need for the porn wasn't just Nephi's own prurient interest.

It was because ..... as their spoken language evolved over time, as they all do, it was easy to forget the liturgical language laid down by Lehi's little lad.

Ya see, if the succeeding generations could have access to all that Pharoah's pulse-pounding porn , it was a no-brainer that it alone would unfailingly prevent RE from becoming a dead language.

Capiche?

While the idea of "reformed Egyptian" is absurd, the practice of oral and literary fluency in the language of the greatest power of the region was a common practice so that all in the region, regardless of mother tongue, could communicate. For example, during the middle ages and clear through into the 1800s, the Italian peninsula consisted of around two dozen city states (the better known ones seated in Venice, Florence, Rome, Milano, Naples, etc.) and each city had its own dialect that was unique enough to make communication difficult. The educated people typically spoke the dialect of Florence because that was the language of Dante Alighieri, the most widely read author of the region. Even the enemies of Tuscany spoke it. When Garibaldi conquered the peninsula, uniting the area into Italy, the dialect that was already most widely spoken, that of Florence, became the official language of the nation.

In the end, adopting a language that is considered the most influential as a common language is still in practice. It's why so many people outside of the US, UK, Canada, Autralia, and New Zealand speak English - even the educated peoples from nations that aren't friendly to any of those countries still tend to speak English.

It's like why it was credible for the authors of the gospels (presumably Jews) to have written in Greek.



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Then there's chaismus.

How a Greek concept found it's way into the BoM would seem puzzling coming thru a culture that preceded the Alexanderian invasion of middle earth by Hellenistic hedonism.

There can be no other explanation than this, the 600BC Minoans and the Egyptians exchanged more than just bodily fluids.

Splains the Grecian names and terms in Horny Joe's opus at the same time, wouldn't it would seem obvious?

Flipping through a greek dictionary (Liddell) the other day, I notices that "mormon" means terror, and "alma" means fraud.

you just need the symbol for "verily, verily" now and you've got it made! :)

The whole thing about Reformed Egyptian was that it was a more condensed language and supposedly made it possible to save valuable space on the gold plates.

OK, that made sense up until I found out about the whole rock in a hat thing.

Saving valuable space would indeed seem plausible until one considers that 2/3 of the bulky gold in Joe's book served no purpose whatsoever.

Good point. From the BoA GAEL we know that Joe believed that simple glyphs translated into long, and sometimes multiple, sentences. It turns out that some of them don't even translate into complete words.

As Richard Packham has previously pointed out, no form of known Egyptian writing would have been more efficient than Hebrew (http://packham.n4m.org/linguist.htm, see section titled, "Engraving on Metal Plates"). In fact, I suspect that Hebrew is more efficient than any of the Egyptian forms, which is why we have never seen apologists provide a side-by-side comparison of Hebrew vs. Egyptian script, similar to the look-how-much-BoM-text-can-be-squeezed-on-a-single-plate experiment published by Janne M. Sjodahl back in 1923 and republished by FARMS in 2001 (http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/10/1/S00005-50be48520d86f5Sjodahl.pdf).

Usually when I have trouble writing on paper due to the awkwardness of my hands, I find the best thing to do is to engrave on plates of brass using a reformed version of writing known only to myself. That way, not only is it harder to carry, but I look like a real smarty pants when I teach everyone my new language.

When I was a little kid, maybe around 6, my TBM mother told me that the reason why they wrote in "reformed Egyptian" was because there wasn't a written form of Hebrew yet. This didn't sit well with me at the time. What she was saying seemed very unbelievable.

Solitary Loner Wrote:

> ---- because there wasn't a written form of Hebrew yet.



Still laughing my ass off over that one.

My TBM mother still thinks she some sort of "expert" when it comes to anything related (falsified) between Judaism and the cult. The truth being that she has only known a handful of Jewish people (one was even a convert), never spoken to a rabbi, doesn't know anything about real Jewish history, and doesn't know anything about Jewish custom. (Things like reading the OT, or watching Jesus movies or "Fiddler" don't count.)

To Archytas' damming missing traditions: plates--nobody wrote on plates (though Nibley may have come up with an obscure exception); nobody kept 'the history of my people' in somebody's house--always the high priest at the temple, then the rabbi at the synagogue much much later; last, of course, but not least: the language. There was a constant reminder of 'I brought you out of Egypt', so who would write in Egyptian--reformed or otherwise?

someones head to get and take across the ocean to the new world? What language do Mos think that stuff was written in? Not "Reformed Egyptian!"