It is now March. Let the speculation begin!

So there is just 11 more days until the March 14th due date for TSM to appear in UK fraud case. I think the only thing that is most certain is that TSM will not appear personally. What are your predictions?

1. Gets dismissed before March 14.
2. CPS (did I get the acronym right?) takes over before March 14.
3. Huge settlement with lots of $$$$$ but a gag order.
4. LDS lawyers obtain an indefinite delay due to TSM health or some other reason.
5. LDS representative allowed to testify in place of TSM.
6. No response, no show, no proxy allowed...warrant for TSM arrest gets issued.
7. Other?

I'm going to go with #4...looks like they've been setting this up for a bit.

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> 5. LDS representative allowed to testify in place

This could be a boon for LDS Inc. if they played it right. I hope they are NOT allowed someone to be a proxy prophet who could spin like a PR lawyer into making this some kind of religious freedom win if it is a lose for LDS Inc.

Tom reported that option 1 is out because closing a proceeding requires a minimum of two weeks notice to plaintiff.



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If he showed up for the temple opening, he is well enough to show up in the UK. As a British judge or citizen I would be annoyed with him flaunting defiance of a court order. It might get the press a little more riled up and interested.

They should have kept him home "in bed" and they aren't stupid. My guess is the leadership and lawyers think they have a deal almost worked out. I am hoping it falls through.

If the proceeding is not dismissed it will go to court and a verdict will be handed down. There is no "deal" option.

I meant, for example, he could send a rep or teleconference or delay with mental competency to stand trial studies... Or they really think it will get quashed. Truth is, they are old men. They have controlled politics in Utah and neighboring states for years, and have influence in US politics as well. They probably see it as a ridiculous challenge because they haven't looked at it from an outside perspective. Maybe they really can't fathom this being real. Because Tommy should have stayed home unless he is planning to go to England.

Urim and Thummim says odds are:

1) 12-5
2) 11-7
3) 99-1
4) 6-5
5) 3-2
6) 12-1
7) 9-5

From what I have read around the interwebz, the British court system does not put up with the BS American courts do.

I am guessing. But, though Monson may be tried with representation rather than being on the stand, this will go forward.

Additionally, the huge sum of money that would have been defrauded by fraudulent charity tax deductions will have the full attention of the British government...which makes bribery almost impossible.

This is not Utah law.

Jesus returns on day 10.

Hahahaha!
That's what any mormon who knows about the case is hoping for, lol!

Brothers and Sisters we need to fast and pray that the Lord will hasten his coming!

My understanding is that option #3 is not an option under British law. I think Tom alluded to that in the Infants on Thrones podcast or perhaps it was the Canadian radio show.

However, option 7 could be:

7. No response, no show, no proxy, and no further action is taken (no warrant is issued, life goes on as normal).

However I trust that Tom will not let this quietly die and has a contingency plan in case that happens.

I don't see this as viable. I don't see how that level of contempt of court would result in less than a warrant for arrest being issued. And while Monson could just never go where he might be extradited (the US would never, ever do so) in his limited remaining life, the church has A LOT of assets in the UK that could be frozen and/or seized. My opinion is a raft of lawyers will show up in his stead and he'll get a pass in that hearing for personal health or whatever. Assuming the hearing results in the case being sent to Crown Court, he'll have to appear there, probably sooner than later.

CPS? Child Protective Services? Are you talking for Monson? I guess that's possible...

1, 2 and 3 are out. It's too late throw the case out, and it's a criminal case, so there's no settling out of court for cash.

Monson's inability to show up personally doesn't preclude a representative showing up to answer the charges, so I don't see how they could do 4. Blowing it off wouldn't be good, so they've got to go with 5.

Pedro has pretty much summed it up. Also, you should vote for him so all your wildest dreams come true.

CPS=Crown Prosecution Service (Her Majesty is in charge of the legal system, too)

Why don't you buy some lottery tickets, hoping to win....
Because xpecting Church getting Verarscht, (Screwed) in this deal is a pipe dream

it all depends on your definition of "screwed" in this scenario

if it is something like "monsoon in jail" then yeah, you're probably right on it being an extreme long shot

however, there are many other possibilities that have the potential to screw TSCC over - it's not a black/white win/lose situation - for example, TSCC can "win" in court and still lose big time in the court of public opinion

all we can do is watch and see

We've already won the preliminary skirmish. Already, TSCC is publishing essays admitting that TSCC and it's leaders were wrong. There have already been anecdotal reports of many, even Bishops, leaving TSCC due to the essays. So, regardless of the outcome of the trial, progress has already been made.

TSCC has kowtowed to legal action in the past -- when the US government came after it for polygamy, it made a measurable impact. And this won't be the first time a so-called religion has had their chops busted in court -- see how well Scientology fared in Europe's courts.

The outcome is far from certain, yes. But it is worth pursuing. Tom has already struck a blow for the good guys, let's keep up the good fight!

Quick Summary from what I've read above.

#1 No longer an option. Requires two week notice.
#2 Someone said this option is out, but not sure why.
#3 Not an option under British Law since this is a criminal case and not a civil lawsuit
#4 Considered likely for the LDS Church to attempt
#5 Considered likely if #4 fails
#6 Didn't really see commentary on the likelihood of this happening other than a lot of Ex-Mo's wouldn't mind seeing this result.
#7 One vote for nothing. But unlikely that TP would let it die.


So, with 4 and 5 the most likely options, it appears that we are guaranteed at least one more flurry of news on this topic. I bet the TBMs have all forgotten about it.

Freemasonry's agents planned and made the Mormon cult.
(Quite like they made the Jaydub cult and SDAs.)

Their modern masonical brothers sit on their ample buttocks behind and inside the Crown and their courts.

These oath-bound brothers work both sides of the road. They only pretend to litigate.

The Craft loves to stage these spectacular trials.

Dear Tom may not be aware of all this age-old intrigue.

God bless him and us with a miracle.