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Posted by: portlandviking ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 03:40PM

Hello everyone,



I normally do not post on forums, but I feel I would be doing a disservice to myself, to fellow Ex-Mormons, and also my paper if I didn't post here. My mother has been an avid poster/reader on this site for a number of years and if it wasn't for this site we would most likely still be Mormons living in the dark. Thus, I am here and asking for help from all of you again; help in finding the truth about the Mormon past. No, this is not help on a philosophical level because, luckily for me, my mind is set up well in this area. The problem that I am having is much deeper and more concerning then the afterlife (in my opinion).

See, I am a history major at an Oregon university and next term will be writing a research paper on the Mormon expansion westward. My thesis is about the fact that this movement took place for a multitude of reasons, not just one. It wasn't done just because higher leaders received a calling from God to do so, but was done because of the American philosophy of “Manifest Destiny”, trouble with State and Federal governments, and actions done by the Mormons themselves that caused people around them to respond negatively. The problem that I am having is finding good, outside, professional secondary (and even primary) writings on the LDS and its history. I have some sources, like “No Man Knows My History” and "Mormonism in transition: a history of the Latter-Day Saints, 1890-1930", but I have noticed a trend that many sources I have found are from an angle of only one side of the fence. Though I will be using some from all sides because of the desire to try and be objective, there is only so much of the whole “innocent-white-Anglo-settler-Mormon” who is just moving west to “escape the bad guys” philosophy that I can take. Mormons had agency during this time and used it; negatively and positively. Denying the agency in Mormon history, especially the bad agency, gives it a taste that Mormons where always acted on and never acted themselves; thus, making it a story of complete victimization and/or non-action which is untrue.

I am inquiring of you with the hopes that some of you might have sources that you would recommend; primary (sources prepared during that time in the 19th century) or secondary (sources after the fact that analyze this past). And even if you know of Church biased sources please feel free to share because contrast against this old grain philosophy will need to be addressed in this paper; unfortunately.



Thank you all for you time and keep up the good work,




Portlandviking




P.S.

We, as historians, would like to believe that objectivity is possible in this endeavor, but as Edward Carr points out “Our answer [to what is history], consciously or unconsciously, reflects our own position in time, and forms part of our answer to the broader question, what view we take of the society in which we live”(Edward). But as Lindqvist points out in his book about colonialism in Africa “It is not knowledge we lack. What is missing is the courage to understand what we know and draw conclusions” (Sevn).



Edward Hallett Carr, What is History?. (New York: Random House, Inc, 1961), p. 4.

Sven Lindqvist, Exterminate All the Brutes: One Man's Odyssey into the Heart of Darkness and the Origins of European Genocide. Trans. Joan Tate. (New York: The New Press, 1996.) P. 172

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Posted by: Carol ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 04:27PM

It's two volumes, and even if you don't use it for your paper, it's a valuable addition to your personal library. You can also find it online, to read for free.

'On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'

It begins in October of 1844, in Nauvoo, a few months after Smith's death, and continues on to 1861. Hosea Stout was one of the very influential inner circle Freemasons that played a large part in instituting the temple endowment, which was begun in the Nauvoo temple on Dec.10, 1845.

The diary gives a bird's eye view of their everyday inner workings, plans, and plots. Hosea was a polygamist, and wrote some of his entries in code, such as, 'I went to Allen Weeks and staid all night.' That meant that he was with one of his other wives. Right now I'm reading how they are making plans to leave Illinois the following Spring.

This was edited by Juanita Brooks in the 1960s. Although she remained a member all her life, her footnotes are very accurate and fair. If you choose to read the book, be sure to read them, as they explain a lot about their background and culture.

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Posted by: Lois Lane ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 04:43PM

Read Thomas Gunnison's book "The Mormons or the Latter-Day Saints" published in 1852.

You can find it online.

I read it in one setting.

Definitely a primary source.

Gunnison was killed by the Mormons for writing this book, even though he is very fair to the Mormons.


"The Unsolicited CHronicler" tells all about it.

Lois

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Posted by: Villager ( )
Date: March 08, 2014 03:38PM

Forgotten Kingdom. The Mormon Theocracy in the American West. 1847-1896
David L Bigler
USU Press

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Posted by: ex-cultmember ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 04:37PM

The books at http://signaturebooks.com/ are about as scholarly and objective you'll find on Mormon history. They aren't whitewashed faith promoting books but they wouldn't be considered "anti" either. They are written by fairly objective professional historians whose emphasis is on Mormon history. Browse through them to see which ones fit your thesis best.

There are also several Mormon historical journals and societies which are credible. Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought http://www.dialoguejournal.com/ is one of them.

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Posted by: revdrmichael ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 05:16PM


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Posted by: sincere9 ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 05:35PM

I've found that the Tanners at http://www.utlm.org were very thorough at trying to find original source material with their research into Mormonism. Check out their website.

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Posted by: past-that ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 09:39PM

Might be something from diaries, news and books these sites.

Readings in Early Mormon History (Old Newspapers)
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/artindex.htm

http://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/smithhis.htm
History Vault (texts 1830-1889)

http://olivercowdery.com/gathering/gatherIs.htm

http://sidneyrigdon.com/Classics1.htm
MORMON CLASSICS LIBRARY - might be some article here?

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Posted by: past-that ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 10:08PM

Internet archive Has scanned texts -> https://archive.org/
can do searches by subject or author.
searched: Mormon west (this is one result) don't know if it is what you want. https://archive.org/details/acrossrockymount00kellrich

Library of Congress > Digital collections
http://www.loc.gov/library/libarch-digital.html
-> Historic Newspapers
Denver, Colorado
http://www.denverlibrary.org/databases-a-z

and Some state universities have helpful online databases.
Making of America, Cornell university -> http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/m/moa/browse.html

Free e-books -> http://www.gutenberg.org/

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Posted by: Shummy ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 10:29PM

Gotta chime in with a family history book about my gggrandfather Charles Shumway and his rise in Nauvoo to Horny Joe's bodyguard and the council of 50.

He went on to lead the skedaddle from there west. He didn't even wait for the river to freeze, he crossed by ferry 2 weeks ahead of the general exodus.

Pretty sure he was either running from the law or else from the vengance seeking brother of the man he had slain in defense of Horny Joe.

He never looked back......yeah right. ;)

Written by my bland TBM aunt, I nonetheless enjoyed the read:


http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Look-Back-Eva-Conover/dp/1880416972



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2014 10:42PM by Shummy.

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Posted by: Carol ( )
Date: March 08, 2014 02:52AM

This was in the early '70s. A Shumway mom was in often charge of the nursery age kids.

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Posted by: sincere9 ( )
Date: March 08, 2014 02:58AM

I remember a Shumway family in Highland :)

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Posted by: foundoubt ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 10:52PM

'Early Mormonism and the Magic World V iew' by D. Michael Quinn. Also, check out his 2-volume set, Mormon Hierarchy, Origins of Power, and Mormon Hierarchy, Extensions of Power.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 10:57PM

...dealing with crimes that Mormons were engaged in which sped their removal from Illinois.

http://www.utlm.org/booklist/titles/earlymormonoriginscounterfeitingnetworks_xb346.htm

Here's part of an old post of mine from alt.religion.mormon in which I quoted an eyewitness of the period, Edward Bonney, who had been a member of Joseph Smith's secret "Council of Fifty":

"While the Mormons were rapidly increasing in numbers and daily increasing
their power and wealth, the country around was suffering from a succession of
robberies almost without parallel in the annals of crime. Stock of every
description and goods of all kinds were constantly taken, and all in the
vicinity trembled lest they, like their neighbors, might be stripped of their
all without a hope of restoration or revenge.
"The offenders were frequently tracked in the direction of Nauvoo, and
sometimes, though rarely, the property was recovered, but in no case could the
perpetrators of the crime be arrested and brought to justice. In case of an
arrest at Nauvoo the accused were immediately released by the city authorities,
and the cry of 'persecution against the Saints' raised, effectually drowning
the pleas for justice of the injured, and the officer forced to return and tell
the tale of defeat. This done, the fugitive found a safe shelter under the
widespread wings of the Mormon leaders, and laughed at pursuit."
("The Banditti of the Prairies," Edward Bonney, U. of Oklahoma Press, pp.
15-16.)

Joseph Smith used the Nauvoo City Charter as a kangaroo court to prevent the
prosecution of any Mormons suspected of crimes (including himself, in the case
of the attempted murder of Governor Boggs), and that practice was a prime cause
of Smith's death. Leading Mormons were also heavily engaged in counterfeiting
of money. In December of 1845, Brigham Young, Willard Richards, John Taylor,
Parley P. Pratt and Orson Hyde were indicted on federal counterfeiting charges,
which hastened their exodus from Illinois:

"Warrants pending for the arrest of Brigham Young and other leaders on charges
of counterfeiting were among the reasons for the early departure of the Saints
from the 'city of Joseph' in February rather than in the spring as originally
proposed." (Kenneth W. Godfrey, BYU Studies, Winter 1968, p. 215.)

Thus we see that the "Brighamites" weren't expelled from Illinois because of
"religious persecution" any more than they had been from Missouri. Rather,
Young and his followers left Nauvoo even earlier than planned because he and
other leaders were fleeing federal counterfeiting charges.

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Posted by: portlandviking ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 11:11PM

Thank you all so far! This information has been of great help and I really appreciate it.



PortlandViking

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Posted by: Lasvegasrichard ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 11:19PM

I have a book published in the 1800's by an RLDS historian , where he directly asks Wilford Woodruff about the so called pentacost episode in the Kirtland temple where he admits it never happened .

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Posted by: Notsignedin ( )
Date: March 07, 2014 11:19PM

Check out the www.juvenileinstructor.org it is a blog by mormon themed history graduates and often list the sources they find most useful.

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Posted by: rogerv ( )
Date: March 08, 2014 01:06AM

I have a reprint of a book by an English author who wrote of his experiences crossing the contry shortly after the transcontinental railroad was completed, and it has a fairly large section about Utah and the Mormons... not sure if it's what you're looking for, but I'm in SE PDX if you'd like to know more about it.

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Posted by: Shummy ( )
Date: March 08, 2014 03:44AM

Who has lived in Morgdum and hasn't met a Shummie?

Thick as mormon fleas.

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Date: March 08, 2014 03:16PM


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Date: March 10, 2014 06:01PM

Topping for more input.

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