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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:12PM

Watch this space, I'll post the stats here in a moment when they are announced.

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:16PM


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Posted by: Krampus! ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:30PM

last years statistical report side by side comparison:

Stakes........................................................................................................................ 3,005

Missions....................................................................................................................... 347

Districts........................................................................................................................ 591

Wards and branches............................................................................................... 29,014

CHURCH MEMBERSHIP

Total membership........................................................................................... 14,782,473

New children of record......................................................................................... 122,273

Converts baptized................................................................................................ 272,330

MISSIONARIES

Full-time missionaries.......................................................................................... 58,990

Church-service missionaries.........................……………………………………………….. 22,961

TEMPLES

Temples dedicated.......................................................................................................... 4

(Kansas City Missouri, Manaus Brazil, Brigham City Utah and Calgary Alberta)

Temples rededicated....................................................................................................... 2

(Buenos Aires Argentina and Boise Idaho)

Temples in operation...................................................................................................140

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Posted by: Krampus! ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:39PM

I wonder if the missionaries in the most recent stats include church-service missionaries. If so, lowering the entry age for missionaries really did not have an impact.

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:23PM

Members 15,082,028 (2012 - 14,782,473)
Stakes 3,050 (2012 - 3,005)
Units 29,253 (2012 - 29,014)
missions 405 (2012 - 347)
districts 571 (2012 - 591)
baptisms 282,945 (2012 - 272,330)
members of record 115,486 (2012 - 122,273)
missionaries 83,035 (2012 - 58,990)

1 temple dedicated

Edit: Added last year's stats.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2014 04:35PM by squeebee.

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:24PM

OK -that makes more sense. Doesn't sound like the increase in missionaries is making much of an increase in baptisms.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2014 04:43PM by CA girl.

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Posted by: zenmaster ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 05:03PM

Approximately 10,000 more baptisms with a little over 24,000 additional missionaries...less than 1/2 a baptism per additional missionary...

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Posted by: PeacePrincess ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:25PM

Only one temple dedicated this year?

So, where is it?

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:27PM

Honduras

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Posted by: apawst8 ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:30PM

PeacePrincess Wrote:
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> Only one temple dedicated this year?
>
> So, where is it?

The Gilbert AZ temple was dedicated in March 2014. The Phoenix AZ temple will be dedicated sometime later in 2014 (not yet announced).

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:37PM

On a cell phone, can someone check how many fell off the records and compare to the death rate?

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Posted by: jesuswantsme4asucker ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:25PM

wow, that missionary surge is sure paying off in converts.

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Posted by: Krampus! ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:43PM

if the missionary numbers for this last report included church service missionaries, then there was no surge. It was a lie.

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Posted by: Rockwell Americana ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:36PM

2014 total membership - 2013 total membership = increase in church membership = ~300,000

2013 convert baptisms + children of record baptism = ~398,000

So a little rough math suggests that ~98,00 people had their records removed in 2013. Assuming that ex'd members are still counted on the records but resigned members are not counted (but still on file, who knows?).

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Posted by: Rockwell Americana ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:37PM

Whoops, that doesn't factor in the death rate. Alright incorrect. :-/

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:38PM

We need to check the global death rate, times it by the population of TSCC, that says how many probably died, then take that from 98k to get removals.

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Posted by: Alpiner ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:56PM

Keep in mind, the lost members file (which comprises 2/3 of the membership, give or take) retains members until 110 years of age.

So comparing the LDS population to the global death rate won't really work, as the global death rate will be something like 2x per capita of what the church will drop off its roles, if not more.

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Posted by: nailamindi ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 05:10PM

OK, So if you take 2012's total membership number:
14,782,473

Then add in new members of record and baptisms, you get:

+115,486
+282,945
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15,180,904

Then subtract the 2013 membership of
-15,082,028
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98,876 members lost.

Using Rockwell Americana's assumed death rate of 8.3 deaths/1000 people, there should have been 125,995 people who died. Assuming that all the lost members died (not resigned) you get a death rate of 6.5 deaths/1000 people.

To summarize:
If no one is resigning (or numbers are insignificant), and you assume that the death rate for mormon's is lower than average (due to a higher birth rate), then these numbers make sense.


HOWEVER, the interwebs tells me that the death rate for Utah is around 7.9 deaths/1000 people. That would give us around 120,000 people dying per year - more than the given 98,876.

This tells us
1. Resignations (and excommunications) are still counted.
2.Inactive members are assumed alive (until 110yrs old? hard to say) longer than the average lifespan, leading to an underestimation of the death rate.
3. These numbers are bullshit.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2014 05:15PM by nailamindi.

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Posted by: grubbygert ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 05:19PM

it's number 3

why would anyone think any of these numbers have a basis in reality? (other than number of temples)

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Posted by: nationalnewscampaign ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:42PM

I'm very interested in this. I looked up the stake I grew up in, in Salt Lake City, on LDS.org's "find a meeting" locator.

When I was growing up, the stake had 3 chapels housing 9 wards.

Now the same 3 chapels only house 7 wards.

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Posted by: Krampus! ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:46PM

Yup, I noticed that most chapels in Salt Lake Valley only house 1 or 2 wards, when it used to be that most of them housed 3 wards.

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Posted by: Rockwell Americana ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:44PM

Assuming a mortality rate is 8.3 deaths per 1000, there would have been 125,000 deaths in a population of 15 million. I'm sure there are deceased members on the rolls, but 125,000 is greater than 98,000.

The tens of thousands of resignations have to be hidden in there somewhere.

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Posted by: Stater ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:46PM

29,253 congregations in 2013

divided by

29,014 congregations in 2012

= 1.008% growth


Number of Congregations is the most accurate indicator of active membership. Congregations are one figure that church can't easily lie about. One percent growth equals stagnation against general population growth.

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Posted by: NoMoBlues ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:50PM

It still doesn't tell you much. A congregation can function with either 300 active members or 30.

The larger ward can be broken up into two or more.

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Posted by: Fetal Deity ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:57PM


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Posted by: Plaid n Paisley ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:47PM

.....................2013.........2012

Stakes..............3050.........3005
Missions............ 405......... 347
Districts........... 571......... 591
Wards & Branches..29,253.......29,014

Membership.....15,082,028.....14,782,473
New children
Of record... 115,486..... 122,273
Converts....... 282,945..... 272,330

Full-time
Missionaries.... 83,035........58,990
Church service
Missionaries.... 24,032........22,961

Temples dedicated.... 1 ........ 4
Temples in operation. 141 ..... 140

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Posted by: Greyfort ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:50PM

What does:

members of record 115,486

mean?

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Posted by: jesuswantsme4asucker ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:51PM

children of record = kids born in the church (given a blessing I think being the yardstick).

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:54PM

but never baptized. You are counted as a member of record until the child is 9.

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Posted by: annonagain ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 04:55PM

children who have been blessed

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Posted by: rhgc ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 05:03PM

The number of members of record relates to the birth rate. That figure continues to decline. Since it is much less than the number of births, it would appear to be related to the excess over member deaths. BTW, the death rate for members is substantially lower than the national average due to the higher birth rates (though declining) creating a more pyramidal population diagram. That is, because of a lower proportion of elderly, the TSCC death rate is less. To determine the actual longevity one needs to compare death rates by age. And then one should compare the rates of mormons with the rate of smoking. Non-smoking alone is the reason mormons have a slightly lower death rate by age. Comparing non-smoking persons with non-smoking mormons and adjusting for age, there is no difference. The rest of the WoW is meaningless - perhaps actually increasing deaths.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2014 05:04PM by rhgc.

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Posted by: New found one ( )
Date: April 05, 2014 05:11PM

I have read that they keep counting resigned and X'ed members in the official numbers until they are 110 so O don't think you can determine resignations with the church numbers.

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