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I just read about this this morning and saw comments about it on here. So I really feel the need to post something. I have only read a little bit and already I am disturbed.
I am disturbed because I have Asperger's Syndrome as well like most of you know. I am disturbed because some of his comments and frustrations were very similar to mine...
I was not a 22 year old virgin. But throughout my life starting as a teenager, I would be frustrated to tears because I badly wanted a beautiful woman at my side like so many other guys in the world. Before I knew that I had Asperger's Syndrome my therapist told me that I was just developing slower emotionally than my age group. But I had the same thoughts "I am a good looking guy" "why do woman chose ugly fat guys?"
One of the reasons that I got pulled into the Mormon Church was because of the social problems I had (I was 18).
Today I am 31 and single, I have experienced being in love almost got married and know how it feels to feel the warm touch of beautiful women.
However, I still feel the old frustration many times and wish that I found the right one like most people my age. Don't worry I will not and have no urge to go on a killing rampage, it just troubles me that I can empathize with a guy who did this.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/25/2014 03:16PM by tombs1.
I am disturbed because I have Asperger's Syndrome as well like most of you know. I am disturbed because some of his comments and frustrations were very similar to mine...
I was not a 22 year old virgin. But throughout my life starting as a teenager, I would be frustrated to tears because I badly wanted a beautiful woman at my side like so many other guys in the world. Before I knew that I had Asperger's Syndrome my therapist told me that I was just developing slower emotionally than my age group. But I had the same thoughts "I am a good looking guy" "why do woman chose ugly fat guys?"
One of the reasons that I got pulled into the Mormon Church was because of the social problems I had (I was 18).
Today I am 31 and single, I have experienced being in love almost got married and know how it feels to feel the warm touch of beautiful women.
However, I still feel the old frustration many times and wish that I found the right one like most people my age. Don't worry I will not and have no urge to go on a killing rampage, it just troubles me that I can empathize with a guy who did this.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/25/2014 03:16PM by tombs1.
I too would like a beautiful woman on my side, but then I realized that is not going to happen. So I just move on with life.
He didn't kill people because he faced difficult social situations; or had Asberger's, he killed them because if he was not happy no one else had the right to happiness either.
He left a video and written "manifesto". He wanted to kill girls that were pretty and men that he saw being happy. "I will be your God" he ranted. "I will slaughter you all."
What kind of person sees other people be happy and gets mad about it?? He thought he was "better" than them - boasted about how his expensive car was nicer that "90%" of the other cars on the road.
The "dating advice" he had linked to were the sleazy "Pick-Up Artists" sites, where guys learned tricks to try and manipulate girls dating them. He sought out the lowest way to try and relate to other people.
He was a good looking guy with a great car and money to spend. He must have been putting out some scary vibes to drive the girls away. He was a spoiled, entitled brat who had a murder tantrum.
#YesAllWomen "Every single woman I know has a story about a man feeling entitled to access her body. Every. Single. One."
He left a video and written "manifesto". He wanted to kill girls that were pretty and men that he saw being happy. "I will be your God" he ranted. "I will slaughter you all."
What kind of person sees other people be happy and gets mad about it?? He thought he was "better" than them - boasted about how his expensive car was nicer that "90%" of the other cars on the road.
The "dating advice" he had linked to were the sleazy "Pick-Up Artists" sites, where guys learned tricks to try and manipulate girls dating them. He sought out the lowest way to try and relate to other people.
He was a good looking guy with a great car and money to spend. He must have been putting out some scary vibes to drive the girls away. He was a spoiled, entitled brat who had a murder tantrum.
#YesAllWomen "Every single woman I know has a story about a man feeling entitled to access her body. Every. Single. One."
This young man was a sociopath; a rich kid with an entitlement complex, selfish complex, a misogynist complex, who owned guns legally, lived in a college town (Isla Vista) where he was not enrolled; filled with hate for women and the men that got them when he didn't, who went on a killing rampage, killing 9, possibly himself, injuring seven mostly women.
It's difficult to stop a psychopath or sociopath (only diagnosed as adults) when they go on some kind of crime spree. Generally, they end up incarcerated in prison for life, or dead.
We owned a home and lived in Goleta about three miles from Isla Vista from 1971 to 2007. Live about an hour north now.
There have been outrageous crime in Isla Vista adjacent to UC Santa Barbara from time to time, burning a bank in the early 70's... on. It's an unincorporated area, looks like part of Santa Barbara or Goleta, highly populated, (over populated) that balloons when UCSB is in session.
Much of the crime is committed by out of towners that come there for Halloween and Spring Break causing all kinds of havoc.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/25/2014 05:25PM by SusieQ#1.
It's difficult to stop a psychopath or sociopath (only diagnosed as adults) when they go on some kind of crime spree. Generally, they end up incarcerated in prison for life, or dead.
We owned a home and lived in Goleta about three miles from Isla Vista from 1971 to 2007. Live about an hour north now.
There have been outrageous crime in Isla Vista adjacent to UC Santa Barbara from time to time, burning a bank in the early 70's... on. It's an unincorporated area, looks like part of Santa Barbara or Goleta, highly populated, (over populated) that balloons when UCSB is in session.
Much of the crime is committed by out of towners that come there for Halloween and Spring Break causing all kinds of havoc.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/25/2014 05:25PM by SusieQ#1.
I don't think family wealth has anything to do with his mental status. Mental illnesses tend to be organic primarily and affect rich, poor and the middle class.
Sunday Afternoon Wrote:
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> I don't think family wealth has anything to do
> with his mental status. Mental illnesses tend to
> be organic primarily and affect rich, poor and the
> middle class.
True. The wealth just gave him more choices.
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> I don't think family wealth has anything to do
> with his mental status. Mental illnesses tend to
> be organic primarily and affect rich, poor and the
> middle class.
True. The wealth just gave him more choices.
That kid was a spoiled brat & misogynist. He felt entitled to good things without earning them, including female company.
He had money and a hot car.
What was stopping him from hitting Las Vegas and hiring a couple of top notch escorts to lose his virginity.
Obviously, there was something wrong in his head. Even his family realized it and tried to get the police involved.
From what I read he refused to take his medications. Happens a lot.
Not all autistic people lose it and kill,of course.
But mental patients who go off their meds and have no supervision CAN become dangerous.
What was stopping him from hitting Las Vegas and hiring a couple of top notch escorts to lose his virginity.
Obviously, there was something wrong in his head. Even his family realized it and tried to get the police involved.
From what I read he refused to take his medications. Happens a lot.
Not all autistic people lose it and kill,of course.
But mental patients who go off their meds and have no supervision CAN become dangerous.
Here is a bit of his video rant:
"Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which I will have my revenge . . . you girls aren't attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one, the true alpha male.”
His rampage was not because he just "snapped" but a cold-blooded intent to kill all who crossed his path. He may have had Aspergers, but his real problem was that he was a sociopath.
"Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which I will have my revenge . . . you girls aren't attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one, the true alpha male.”
His rampage was not because he just "snapped" but a cold-blooded intent to kill all who crossed his path. He may have had Aspergers, but his real problem was that he was a sociopath.
Longing for unfulfilled desires is human.
Aspbergers is only one face of who this young man was. I am sure he had much deeper psychological issues. I saw his complete manifesto video and that young man had more than just social issues.
This murderer felt he was entitled to sex and adoration simply because he was "better". (Better good-looking, financially, whatever) He had no clue that he was a CREEP.
My wish is that people with Aspbergers are not labeled "high risk" for violent situations. My own son has Aspbergers and I have heard every ignorant response to his social disorder.
I told my son that his condition is NOT a mistake, but by DESIGN. People with Aspies THINK differently! I think that is a great thing! You will solve problems differently and see different details. Yes, the social aspect is hard, but there are ways to "work around" the issues with help from understanding folks.
We can empathize that this man was very lonely, but we should NEVER empathize that he thought women that denied him sex/affection or the men who received that should be killed. His rampage nulls and voids any compassion I have for his pain.
Several families just lost their loved ones this weekend. My heart goes to THEM.
RMM
Aspbergers is only one face of who this young man was. I am sure he had much deeper psychological issues. I saw his complete manifesto video and that young man had more than just social issues.
This murderer felt he was entitled to sex and adoration simply because he was "better". (Better good-looking, financially, whatever) He had no clue that he was a CREEP.
My wish is that people with Aspbergers are not labeled "high risk" for violent situations. My own son has Aspbergers and I have heard every ignorant response to his social disorder.
I told my son that his condition is NOT a mistake, but by DESIGN. People with Aspies THINK differently! I think that is a great thing! You will solve problems differently and see different details. Yes, the social aspect is hard, but there are ways to "work around" the issues with help from understanding folks.
We can empathize that this man was very lonely, but we should NEVER empathize that he thought women that denied him sex/affection or the men who received that should be killed. His rampage nulls and voids any compassion I have for his pain.
Several families just lost their loved ones this weekend. My heart goes to THEM.
RMM
Most everyone has a dark side. It is kept well hidden from others.
It is socially repugnant to act on the the thoughts and ideas that this dark part of the mind produces.
You continue to be accepted and function in society by exercising self-control along with the maintaining the knowledge that improper behavior will net negative results in your life.
It is socially repugnant to act on the the thoughts and ideas that this dark part of the mind produces.
You continue to be accepted and function in society by exercising self-control along with the maintaining the knowledge that improper behavior will net negative results in your life.
It sounds like you're empathizing with a man feeling lonely and frustrated rather than with him wanting to kill people who get to have things that he can't have. That's nothing to worry about. But if you're frustrated about not being able to find the right woman, maybe you need to place less emphasis on looking for a woman who is "beautiful" on the outside and more on looking for someone who is interested in you, is caring, makes you laugh, shares your interests, etc. Beauty fades, and the woman's inner qualities are what you really wind up with in the end.