http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/25/hey-religion-your-misogyny-is-showing/?iref=allsearch

Read the article (as opposed to or in addition to watching the video). This is the "golden" passage:

"There is a direct link between Kate Kelly, a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter day-Saints, who was excommunicated on charges of apostasy, and Meriam Ibrahim, a Sudanese woman sentenced to death for her supposed apostasy."

Salt Lake City must be pround.

This makes my day. Thanks for posting.

I havent' had time to follow much of this but I hope someone is pointing out how women can be ex'd by only three men while it takes a quorum or more to ex a man. That says as much as anything else about the church's position on women.

Thanks for the link and cited paragraph above- it is vindication for both exmo and pro mo women everywhere's innate intellectual rights, been waiting a long while for the cloak of darkness to be pushed aside- and a new age for women to begin out of the dark sges imposed upon them in oppressive religions such as mormonism & the mideast by male clerics and all male priesthood

Being excommunicated for refusing to take down a website is not the same as being sentenced to death for not properly following a religion you never chose.

Even though she was only 8 years old, Kate did say that she wanted to be a member. Meriam Ibrahim legally became a Muslim simply because her father, who abandoned the family, was Muslim. Her mother was Christian and raised her as a Christian, she chose to marry a Christian man, and her government ruled the marriage invalid because a Muslim woman can't marry a Christian man, therefore she is guilty of adultery by living with her husband and having children with him. That is what she is sentenced to death for. She was born Muslim and remains Muslim regardless of her personal choice or belief.

I hope they have a chat with Allah, the all compassionate, and help her and her family to leave the country if they wish.

No one said Mormon excommunication and a Sudanese death sentence were the same thing. The article said they were "linked" in the sense that most religions share a destructive patriarchialism.

The article is right, and it is balanced.

+1

Point taken. On the other hand the excommunicators (presumably) believed they were, through their act, separating Kelly from her family _for_ _all_ _eternity_ after her death. A drastic, cruel measure if you take mormon teachings seriously.

Yes, they're both about women's rights and patriarchal religion, but...wow.
Can we say First World Problems?

They dont see sny harm within it or from it in either instance

It is dumb to go that far. That is almost like when Oaks compared Mormon perecution to the Holocaust.

I don't disagree with your point that the analogy CNN used is different, but your anaolgy does not fly at all . . . the holocaust happened, mormon persecution is a myth.

For many, being accused as a heretic in the LDS faith is an emotional, social and sometimes economic "death sentence."



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Yeah, that's pretty much the same thing as ACTUALLY being in prison waiting to be executed for the crime of having children with your husband.

Did it ever occur to you that they are not comparing the details of the resulting action, but are comparing the spirit of the decision and the absolute unfairness of the decision and the fact that some men get to decide the woman's fate whether it is excommunication or death?

What? wasn't that the Sudanese woman who was going to be stoned?

I hardly think that compares in any way shape or form to an

excommunication. Really?

You can become sidetracked from the main point and then argue whether the comparison is accurate or not until the cows come home but the point that is being made is that this is being taken seriously by the press and by outsiders. It is not another fluff piece. This is most assuredly not the kind of scrutiny the church had in mind.



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I'm surprised again that you guys insist on acting as if CNN is comparing excommunication and a death sentence. It is not. It is saying that patriarchy informs many religions and produces major problems.

Is it wrong to say that anti-semitism in Britain in the early 20th century, anti-semitism in Russia, and anti-semitism in Nazi Germany are all rooted in a common, problematic European attitude? Of course it is not. What that logic does is point to a problem underlying European culture.

CNN is saying that patriarchal prejudice manifests in major problems in many different places and times. We need to step back and ask questions about all religions. That, not whether Kate Kelly is Sudanese, is the point.

Islamic religion e-femi-lates (is there even a word that corresponds to "emasculates?") women in many ways. In some countries women must cover themselves from head to foot. In others, their bodies are mutilated to deprive them of their sexuality. In still others they may not drive cars. Sometimes women who have been raped are "excommunicated" from their communities and their own families.

Mormonism resembles that. The institutional subordination, the modesty crap, the licked cupcakes, are similar. In Elizabeth Smart's case, her rape meant that she had lost her value and felt that she could not return to a normal life. After all, it is better to be dead than to be raped.

It is almost always better to be a Mormon woman than to be a Moslem, at least in the extreme Moslem countries, but there are a lot of similarities in doctrine and sometimes in practice between the two religions. I think Mormonism belongs in the same discussion.