Entire families may be encouraged. But I guarantee the vast majority of those scrubbing toilets are women/girls. You know, cause scrubbing toilets/ cleaning is womens work. Right? I'm thinking the great majority of the tbm men and boys, (that actually show up), are doing the manly jobs of landscaping, and delegating which ladies have the privilege of scrubbing the men's urinals.
Yes, I'm a bit bitter. and sarcastic. don't judge :) Come on ladies, just bow your head and say yes :)
suckafoo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Men are selfisher. :). My husband one time said > "women are better at doing mundane tasks"
as I walk by the church quite often and take my dogs walking around the grounds. I see a few guys pull up with a mower on a trailer on weekdays and do all the grounds work and move on.
Now--snow removal--pretty sure that is members. It used to be I could always find a clear sidewalk at the lds church to walk in the winter. No longer.
We didn't show up when it was our turn. We were not asked, we were just put on the list. We already had plans. I have plans every Saturday, and it doesn't include cleaning the church. Our Saturday was the day they had a Food Storage and preparedness Fair. You can't go before 10:30, because of the addictions class. And the fair went from 11-3 pm. Sorry who every put it on, they need to clean it.
I realize that what we're reading on this board is people who, by and large, are refusing to clean the churches.
Wonder what's going on in TBM-ville; is the rank and file cleaning and grumbling or not cleaning. Can't imagine that many folks, even TBMs, are cleaning whilst rhapsodizing about the blessings appertaining thereto.
Not too long ago, I cleaned the chapel and also cleaned the McTemple in my neighborhood.
We had a team that cleaned the McTemple once every three months. Every one of the members on that team were female. I figured it was because we did the temple cleaning in the middle of the day, when all the men were at work. We were all ladies who did not have a 9 to 5, 5 day a week, paid job.
As for cleaning the chapel, well, they encouraged families to do it. But I would watch as the men stood around talking while the women actually did most of the work. The men would pull out the huge industrial vacuum for us, and SOMETIMES they would push that vacuum. But you would be surprised how many times they'd get the vacuum out and then one of the ladies would take it over and use it.
Men were pretty good at putting up tables and chairs, if that needed to be done, but mostly, the men would just stand around and talk about church admin stuff.
But according to the church, shouldn't you have been home, watching the kids, and cooking dinner for your priesthood holder? The church surely did not expect him to pick something up on the way home, or you to put your kid in a dread day care class, did they?
People who ask for financial assitance are asked to clean the chapels. Mind you unless you pay a full tithe and generous fast offering you are unlikely to get any help. The are making it the members responsiblity to clean the chapels now, I guess they need all the money they can get to finance their Real Estate ventures, Malls,Condos...What a wonderful charitable church they are........ I mean corporation!
Who cleans the church has CHANGED in recent years.
It USED TO BE that folks who got church assistance were asked to clean the chapel.
NOWADAYS, all active members are assigned a week to clean the chapel.
My family has never had need to ask for church assistance (thank God for that), but our ward has been asking the regular membership to clean the chapel for about six years or so.
Same thing with the McTemple. Our ward is assigned one week every three months when they have to provide the folks to clean the temple. I was on that temple cleaning crew.
Collecting church assistance -- or NOT collecting church assistance -- has nothing to do with who is cleaning the chapel or temple.
Not anymore, in most places, including my home ward.
She doesn't like cleaning the chapel, but as we are placed on a list in the sacrament program, feels pressure to do it. She feels like her friends in the ward with whom we are assigned to clean will look down on her for not chipping in. For us it can be an all day event given the travel time to the church and the general sloppiness of the building. Our turn falls once a month. Some of the stay at home moms got together to clean it because it was recently done on a Friday afternoon.
My ward meets in a building with another ward. Each ward takes two months at a time for cleaning responsibilities. One of the month's assignments are managed by the Elder's Quorum, the next by the High Priests. They select a certain number of families per week with specific assignments (chapel, primary room, hallways and so on). The idea is that no one should have to be there longer than 20 minutes. That is unless someone doesn't show.
That's the other thing, they try to coordinate it in a way that forces you to show up at church between 8 and 10 a.m. You're supposed to let people know if you're going to do it at a later time, but it's frowned upon.
Of course, the biggest problem I have is that they just put you on a list. They don't ask. They tell you if it's a bad week it's your responsibility to find a replacement. I have only done it a couple of times, but it was because we were using the chapel anyway for a piano recital and our assignment happened to correspond with our week.
I am way past three score and ten. I have a heart condition. I don't attend church, but help in family history as a researcher. I got my call to clean recently. I said, "NO, why would the richest church in America ask such a thing of me?"
Since my parents had seven kids, when it was our family's turn it was two parents and bunches of kids. Mom Did work but mostly delegated (Good lord, she was good at that.) and Dad vacuumed. Windows/toilets were all done by the kids.
I would never clean the bathrooms of a business.Thats what the tscc is. Its like you are going to clean where you bank. The difference is you'll never see a dime of the Mo bank. Satan has control over the waters.I was taught that by the Mo since childhood, therefore I could never clean the toilets.
I've gone with my wife to clean in the heart of the morridor. To be honest, it was mostly men. In fact, I had to smile, because it was the bishop, the GP group leader, the the exec secretary and some of the other "higher ups" in the ward. They were complaining about how they can't get anyone else to come and how it made them mad that the janitors had been fired.
When I left we had to clean the building (vacuum, dust, wash windows, etc.), but not scrub the toilets.
I actually didn't mind that much, I often was the only person to show up Saturday morning (Wife at the time worked Saturday and the rest of the families in the ward were often no-shows to the point the Bishop and EQP had to bribe people to clean with donuts).
I liked it becuase it made my WATT happy that I was doing "church stuff" and I didn't have to interact with anyone... Of all the church stuff, that was probably the assignment I liked the most (by which I mean I hated it the least).
this may seem petty and bitter. but I believe we may need to organize a mass call in to health and human services in each state to alert them to the unsanitary conditions at each of ld$inc.'s meeting houses.
you know, because mormons believe in abiding by the laws of the land. It is our duty to follow this counsel.
it could be an exmo family home evening activity/ community service project! ill post the Arizona DHS phone numbers in a few minutes. Damn! I feel the spirit already!!! Who's in?
We always took the whole family, and there were usually only a couple of other families there, so it would take hours just to do the basics cleaning the church. I've cleaned enough toilets to know that most families didn't leave things to the women. We were all used equally by a church that can't be bothered to pay to maintain its buildings but can spend billions on a mall.