Question for Stake Presidents and Bishops. How many of you are here on exmormon.org?

How many of you masturbated while you were a bishop or stake president? Was the guilt extremely bad? Just curious on how leaders felt about this topic.

People who harp endlessly on certain "problems" usually have those problems themselves.

Therefore, my guess would be that all of the GAs have masturbated and cannot deal with the fact.

Before my disaffection began to really gain much traction, I had what I'm sure was an opportunity to be bishop. (I had recently miraculously moved into a declining ward that needed a new bishop, I had a stellar Mormon father's reputation to proceed me, I was childhood friends with the SP counselor's son, and they ended up calling a poor fellow who had ended his prior sentence as bishop because of difficult emotional and familial circumstances.) I was asked about masturbation and could have easily justified to myself that I had repented since the last tug. But I was at a point where I wasn't ashamed and didn't mind saying it like it was. I think the SP was hopeful that I was just being too unforgiving of myself because he went into asking details about frequency.

So yes, I'm convinced that most church leaders service themselves and feel a lot of guilt and shame over it. Poor bastards.

I have a sister that used to work for church social services. She was the person that made the appointments and typed the reports. The therapist she worked for specialized in bishops/stake presidents and also sexual perverts. She told me that nearly every bishop and stake president was a client in the part of the country she lives in. She had to make sure they arrived and left without anyone knowing they where there (different doors).

I'm not making this up.

My ex-wife's bishop was known to have done it in front of younger members of the ward *and* to have taught some of them how to do it themselves.

That's shocking. Thank goodness my Bishops were never like this.

Have you reported this to the police? He should be put in prison for that.

He was outed for it. Even the DesNews published his identity.

I've known a bishop in my stake in the 90's that had a grave problem with masturbation. He was caught on the act inside his parked car. Some random pedestrian saw it an called the police. It went to the local newspaper and everyone in the stake ended up knowing. No need to say he was immediately released.

Anonimous Wrote:
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> I've known a bishop in my stake in the 90's that
> had a grave problem with masturbation. He was
> caught on the act inside his parked car. Some
> random pedestrian saw it an called the police. It
> went to the local newspaper and everyone in the
> stake ended up knowing. No need to say he was
> immediately released.

That must have been an interesting conversation between him, the SP, GA and whomever else was on the conference call.

I once attended a priesthood leadership meeting that the First Presidency and Q12 conducted via satellite, around 2004. What I still remember, all these years later, is that they talked extensively about porn and masturbation. One of the "apostles" (I don't remember who, but I want to say that it was Elder Perry) said that porn and masturbation were a major problem for many Bishops.

I was at BYU at the time, and I remember thinking, "Heck, if my Bishops are doing it, then why do they make me loathe myself for confessing something that they apparently do. Furthermore, why should I ever degrade myself again by confessing to those hypocrites?!"

Unfortunately, I still remained a TBM for several more years (till 2011).



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In the late 70s, I had an interview with SWK, and spilled the beans to him. He kept asking for more and more details on every little act and every guy I had been with which at that time were too numerous to recall. (Hey it was the 70s and the party was going strong.) I kept noticing a lot of movement with his arm in his lap and finally realized while I was giving him all the nasty details of gay sex he was playing with himself.
So much for revering the Lord's anointed.

This is a joke post, right? You mean to tell me that SWK really went into detail with you? And that his hand in his lap was moving suspiciously?

If true, I am very disturbed right now.

No joke here. It is just like what I said earlier.
I'm an old guy now, and don't have to worry about the big M problem since all machines and factories eventually wear out.

In the late 70s, Kimball was already president and probably didn't do too many sex interviews. This incident sounds more like the late 60s, when he was making a reputation for himself.

Yeah, if he was president, I highly doubt he'd be interviewing normal members. He'd probably only interview Apostles and GAs at that stage (and they'd all likely had their second anointings, so what is the point in doing worthiness interviews in those cases?).

And i always assumed the reason I didn't advance in the church hierarchy was because I liked to play with my willie all the time. I seriously thought they had discernment to know i was not worthy. And now you tell me bishops do it too??

I think that since it is natural and healthy that just about everyone at least occasionally does it. I wish that is wasnt seen a such a horrible sin because I think that anything that says that the natural man is an enemy to god is a really damaging thing...

I'll never forget my SP asking me during my mission interview if I masturbate. I have come to believe that he himself was guilty of the deed. As someone said above, those who ask are the ones who are doing it.

I remember hearing at a youth fireside the scripture about cutting off the thing that offends god.
Of course they also talked about god being offended when you masturbate. Hum, cut it off and that would make god love you.

What a crazy religion.

Let me put it this way...They don't call it "making the bald bishop cry" for no reason!

Making the bald bishop cry...I really like that! I also like strangling the bishop, it too pays homage to the one-eyed gent in the turtle-neck sweater! Boner.

Using the force on Darth Vader.

I was assuming that it was allowed "within the bonds of marriage". Not that it disqualifys hypocracy.

I was in a regional training meeting for BP's and SP's and M. Russell Ballard warned us to not do it. Yes, BP and SP are men. Yes, they suffer from excessive guilt over it. Their lives are very stress-filled. Stress, depression and guilt actually increase masturbation in my experience.



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Thanks for this timely thread which I've archived at the M-Word section of the salamander and illustrated with this irreverent image (not work station safe) of Elder Jeffery Hardon's object lesson for the brethren.

http://www.salamandersociety.com/sexuality/mword/140805wankership_meeting_jeffrey_hardon.jpg

and for many other archived comments over the years on the subject.

http://www.salamandersociety.com/sexuality/mword/

I especially appreciate the LDS physician who wrote in to help dispel the damage created by Boyd Packer's Little Factory antics.

I know of a guy in CA that was a very successful MD by day and a stake president on Sunday, but in the evenings and weekends when he was out of town he was flaming gay.

A friend told me the family did not suspect, but when my friend met him for the first time he could tell immediately. He asked his wife if the guy was guy and she was astounded he would even ask (by the way the friend and wife are now exmo).

Eventually, he came out and was exed, but imagine asking someone if they live the law of chastity in a temple recommend interview, and then the next day heading to San Fran for a all night party and circle jerk.



One would think a human brain could not tolerate this much cog dis.



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