There's a HUGE conspiracy against TRUTH!

We've all heard of conspiracy theories and nothing is more of
an insult than to be called a "conspiracy theorist." But this
one is HUGE.

There is a conspiracy out there against TRUTH itself! I
realized that the scientific community was in on it with their
fake "carbon dating" that shows things to be 15,000 years old
etc. We know the world was created only 6000 years ago.

The conspiracy extends to archaeologists, linguists,
geneticists, anthropologists, botanists, zoologists,
paleontologists etc, who constantly barrage us with information
that contradicts the Book of Mormon.

The whole field of Egyptology, and even ancient history itself
is part of the conspiracy.

etc. etc. etc.

As far as I can see, the conspiracy includes over 99% of the
world's population who are conspiring against that less-than-1%.

This thing is HUGE!!!!

Yes, it is, isn't it?

;-)

Yes, I went to college - even to graduate school - and I was addicted to the conspiracy - BEWARE - it really makes you want to know more and more about it, to the point you just keep reading more and more science and stuff, thinking it makes your brain feel good.

/sarc



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As I have said before:

There is a brutality to truth. It is non-compromising to circumstance. It is what it is and not what you may want it to be. I agree. Those in power are not interested in anything but the continuation of their power and therefore will do anything to keep it.



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...... now baura, don't you realize that Satan knows that the church is true and will do anything in his power to convince and lie to discredit our dear true church?

imagine this dialogue coming at you in that mormonesque eastern Utah drone....

... I think I can taste the bile coming up

My intelligent friend commented on the age of the world this way --HOLD TIGHT

""Take a loaf of bread for example. The wheat\grain could have been harvested in 2012 and left in silos until it was needed ..They actually ground the wheat/grain into flour in 2013. The flour was stored until August 2014 before it was sent to the bakery ..Then it was turned into the proverbial Loaf of Bread. The loaf looks fresh and recently baked, but its contents are at least two years old . She believes that this is the same with the earth ..She quotes Joseph Smith as saying the elements of the earth are 365 million years old but were only ""Organized just 6000 years ago"".

Perhaps we are all half baked !!!
JB

Sincere question...

OK...so what about that theory? That carbon dating may not be accurate based on that theory? That element is eternal...

Carbon dating has to do with when plant life GREW. Carbon-14,
an unstable element, is created in the upper atmosphere from
cosmic rays and then decays to nitrogen according to the known
half-life of Carbon-14.

Plants take in carbon dioxide from the atmosphere which has a
fixed ratio of carbon-14. Plants use the carbon from the
atmosphere in forming their structure.

So all plants originally had the same ratio of Carbon-14 to
carbon-12 (the "normal" carbon) as the atmosphere has. After
plants are formed they do not take in any more atmospheric
carbon.

Then when plants die the carbon-14 in them decays according to
its known half-life. Thus the ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12
in a plant will drop off with time as the carbon-14 atoms
decay.

This is how carbon-14 dating of plants works. It has nothing
to do with when protons and electrons, or even atoms, were
originally created. It has to do with carbon-14 atoms being
formed in the upper atmosphere from cosmic rays striking
nitrogen atoms.

Animals eat plants, therefore the carbon in animals comes from
plant carbon and, allowing for a short lag between the plant
growing and the animal eating it, animal remains are
susceptible to carbon-14 dating methods. Carnivores eat other
animals, it is true, but the food chain for ALL animals leads
to plant life.

However radio-carbon dating (carbon-14 dating) has been
extensively tested on historical objects of known age and,
going even further back, on tree rings.

(Tree-rings have established, without need for carbon dating
techniques, at least 11,000 years of things growing on the
earth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology

That two completely disparate dating methods give the same
result speaks well for them.)

It works. It's been proven to work, and it's accurate.

What is interesting is that your intelligent friend has
INVENTED a flawed solution that allows her to continue a false
belief. She has not gone to the trouble of actually checking
to see if her invented solution really makes sense or not, but
has made something up and decided that it is valid.

Baura, you've just illustrated what I think is problem of our time. What is the foundation of knowledge? Is it based on truth? Is it based on the acceptance of truth? Or is it based on defending an opinion. People who follow the truth come to understand that truth is often--very often--counter-intuitive. Truth contradicts our biases. That's the beauty of math. It's free of bias.

On another thread, a poster "did the math" figuring out if God conceived a new spirit baby every 2 seconds, could he keep up with the number of babies being born on earth, right now, every day? Answer: No. Very counter-intuitive--two seconds seems really fast. But 7 billion souls reproducing on the planet is very hard to get one's mind around, and very hard to consider intuitively. The math brings the contrast front-and-center. Mormonism has got to come up with a defense--an excuse: "Well, the spirit children were saved up for millennia before being born on this planet!" But the calculation's still there, creating a definite, "What about that anyway?"

Same with carbon-dating. When how it work's explained, the whole baked bread excuse doesn't work. Because carbon-dating's still hanging out there. If the earth was formed out of other matter--older matter--6,000 years ago, how does that explain what animals were doing eating plants that were living on the earth 20,000 years ago?

People who are open to allowing their biases to be blown up by truth are secular people, even if they're believers, because they go where the truth leads. If they've got to alter their pre-conceived notions, so be it. Others, not critical thinkers, excuse dogma. They cannot accept truth if that truth's inconvenient. Self-interest--someone's self-interest, someone's bias--reigns over truth. It's the source of ugly conflicts around the world.

Just Browsing's friend did what crackpots do. They created a
theory they liked and then accepted it uncritically JUST BECAUSE
THEY LIKED IT. The honest thing to do would be to question the
theory to see if it was valid or not.

One of the most brilliant people I ever knew would often bounce
ideas off me. He would create an idea or theory and then share
it with me for critical feedback. Sometimes I'd find a flaw in
the theory whereupon he would immediately say something like,
"ah, yes, that's right--forget my original idea it's BS."

That is intellectual honesty. That kind of intellectual honesty
is what many Mormons lack. It's not about intelligence but
intellectual honesty.

I'm amazed at how Utahns... living in the Wasatch Range and other places the likes of Bryce NP and Zion NP, et al, can say, "Yes, those were put in place 6000 years ago."

Mormonism and its revelatory prophets move about as fast as the rock cycle.



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Should we have a pool on when TSCC will drop the idea that there was a Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve, etc.?

I don't even know why the word "conspiracy" exists. There has never been one before, nor in the future. It is just a meaningless modifier of the word "theory".

Not true. They have occasionally (RARELY) turned out to be true. Google "conspiracy theories that turned out to be true", interesting reading.

I smell another theory.

The conspiracy was even taught in mormonism itself until correlation rescued those who were deceived.

I remember being clearly taught in the 60s that each "day" was an event of unknown length. Between each "day" was unknown time.

When God rested, that was an additional day or epic of unknown time.

Hence there was no contradiction between science and scripture.

Until I started reading here, I was not even aware the church was pushing the young earth theory.

The cult can play around with the length of a "day" all it likes, even aligning the age of the earth to science, but it still teaches that starting ~6000 years ago, death began with the Fall, then there was a worldwide flood, different languages have their origins at the Tower of Babel, etc. Why do they bother with the length of a Biblical "day" when so many other teachings fly in the face of truth.



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Mormon: A day in Kolob is like a thousand years in any other place.

Non Mormon: After everything else you've told me, I can believe that.

It's easy to give eternity when everything's interminable.

Okay, so has anyone attended one of those meetings where all the scientists, archeologists, and so on get together to decide what misinofrmation they are going to promulgate and how they will do it? They must have dozens of the meetings every year, all over the globe. Or maybe it's all Facebook now. Have they friended anyone on this site?

Please tell me how the conspiracy is maintained from day to day.

BTW, Baura, I know you were being sarcastic...

You are not far off from how a lot of TMBs think. To them the
most important thing in the world is the Church, so it must be
the most important thing in the world for everyone else too. To
many of them the first thing that any scientist thinks when
making a new discovery is, "will this help or hurt the Mormon
Church?" Then they supposedly slant it accordingly.

To many TBMs the whole non-Mormon scholarly community is bent on
fighting Mormonism.

The really important meetings are held in the spirit world, where satan leads one third of the hosts of heaven in the war against godliness.

Huge and completely out of control......
Horses and Wheat and Steel, OH MY!!!

Just browsing..... if that was said by your INTELLIGENT friend, I don't want to meet your dumb friends unless they really are dumb friends, i.e. fabulous dogs and cats.

I picked up a book in my TBM days in the 70s called "Science and Mormonism" by a father and son team named Cook. In it, they explain how the 6000 year age is true because the scientists that came up with the C14 theory made an erroneous assumption. With their correction, everything dates in line with a 6000 year old earth.

They go on to explain how the flood created the huge oil deposits that we have today.

Of course, they ignore all of the other correlating dating methods and the layered fossil record that clearly demonstrate a much older earth and the lack of evidence of a global flood.

Their book was published by Deseret Book (part of the conspiracy!). I wonder what would happen if they tried to publish their theories in a peer reviewed science journal.

Mormonism's unbelievable story perpetuated by emotionally concocted scenarios to validate mystical doctrine. Their brains are isolated from the world while they live in a bubble. I lived this life until I started to look at the church from the outside.

Trust, but verify.