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The Oncoming Storm - bc
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Date: February 09, 2013 11:46AM
Admin closes threads at around 30 replies so I didn't get a chance to answer you in the initial thread
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,789180 - but here's my response:
You have only seen one side of the coin with Mormonism. Imagine you were considering joining Al Qaeda. If you only talked to their recruiters they would give you a great story about how great it is. I suggest you do a little research and learn a little more about what the history of Mormonism is and what Mormonism is all about.
Hint: They are a lot more about excluding and discriminating than they are about including. You are seeing the tip of the iceberg of that with your situation.
Here's a start of things to review (I've been careful to include only things that are well researched and accurate in this list):
1) Top 10 Mormon problems explained video. For some reason this simple, straightforward video presentation is the most effective thing I've seen at going through the major issues and just completely putting my mind at ease that it's all made up. (Note: the narrator of this video is a regular poster here on rfm - he used to post as "stunted" but changed his rfm name because he doesn't want it too directly tied this video - Dear awesome narrator: I hope you are OK with me disclosing that.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ac_fLUHiBw2) Emotionally - reading about Joseph Smith and his wives. It's not just that he has them - it was reading the actual journal entries of the angst he caused the girls, their parents, and their husbands that made it real. This is what emotionally made me feel like: "Joseph Smith was a true scumbag and I want to have nothing to do with his church."
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/05-ZinaHuntingtonJacobs.htmhttp://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/23-LucyWalker.htmhttp://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/26-HelenMarKimball.htmhttp://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/2021-EmilyandElizaPartridge.htm3) Logically - the Book of Abraham has no outs. There is no reasonable counter argument to "Joseph Smith fraudulently invented this." None. (I've read the apologetic arguments by Nibley, Rhodes, Lindsey, etc - they are all just grasping at straws.)
http://www.mormonhandbook.com/home/book-of-abraham.htmlhttp://www.bookofabraham.com/boamathie/BOA_TOC.html4) This discusses what the church did to gays in the 70s - this was sponsored by Spencer Kimball the leader of the church at the time - and Dallin Oaks then the president of BYU was also heavily involved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwUTVQ4mfNEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-8BmFwGIchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeMKmnMfNUoHonorable mentions:
5) Mormon think - the site is almost overwhelming in the breadth and depth of information - But wow, it's excellent!
http://www.mormonthink.com/6) I find the links about Utah statistics and wacky things church leaders have said to be VERY telling:
http://www.mormonprobe.com/index.php?topic=By%20Their%20Fruits7) This article does a fantastic job of exposing the approaches Mormon apologists take and helps clarify things:
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon441.htm6a) Along these lines, this helps explain why some really smart people still believe Mormonism:
http://www.michaelshermer.com/weird-things/excerpt/Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2013 11:52AM by bc.