This is absolutely EPIC!!!! This guy totally demolishes the tricks of the trade that the church uses to suck us in as converts. He totally smashes it as both an exmo and a psychologist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsOHsZIiA4

Does he mention crying? That's how they got to me. When I wasn't moved by watching the LDS bio-pic snuff-flic on Joseph Smith, one of the mishies (female) started crying and that got me. I felt sorry for her and that was the gap in the armour they needed to get in and talk me into a baptism, which didn't seem like very much at the time, but...

This was really good!

Holy crap this was spot on.

It's scary to think how much I rationalized and didn't think about these things.

And, it's easier to do it to someone from birth and tell them it's normal.

This clip was EPIC. And you are right, it is absolutly spot on. The thought control and the BITE model discussion were really scary. I am interested to know what your "snapping moment" was?

For me it was a discussion my wife and I had on the Catholic tradition of "Indulgences" where people used to pay to make confession, and have thier sins forgiven. I realised that we did the same thing in the church by having to pay tithings. You cannot get to the highest level of the celestial kingdon if you do not pay tithings. In fact you cannot receive your ordinances of salvation FULL STOP, if you are not a tithe payer, let alone gain acess to the temple for sealing for eternity etc....

This was my moment. What wereyours?

Agree, this was an amazing watch. I always attributed my 20 years as a believer to being BIC, which caused a lot of unreleased anger from my part towards my folks. Watching this was liberating, and made it obvious that it is not quite my parent's fault that I was controlled by the morg for so long.

I was simultaneously brain washed, and mind controlled as a child. As an adult I no longer allowed the brainwashing, but the damage had been done.

It was a process of leaving, going back in, and then leaving for good. If I would have had all of this information at 18, I never would have went back. The kids that are now leaving young are very lucky. They not only have information, they have support. I didn't have either one.



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If time or bandwidth poor for Google here is proof/ a summary

http://www.bonneville.com/?nid=32

Sorry, as soon as I saw the word "Jesus" in the background the speakers lost all credibility.

Me too, for a moment. Being an atheist myself, Jesusy things automatically seem suspect but coming out of Mormonism, we sometimes don't realize that many Christians aren't fundy, and are a varied lot.. Some of them are actually not brainwashed boobs and don't push their religion down your throat.

. . . although he did seem to have a basic grasp on some of the fundamentals. I say give him time to polish up and to expand his repertoire.

One final suggestion: If the guy would learn to apply his check-offs across the board to Christianity like he did to Mormonism, he'd carry a lot more credibility. In other words, lose that big Jesus ad behind him.



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I didn't like the big Jesus poster in the back BUT when he said he wanted everyone to know that he left for a 'legitimate reason, in that no one hurt his feelings" I stopped listening. He's still indoctrinated...leaving because someone offended you is a legitimate reason and is also the spark that starts the fire of waking someone up.

I just wanted to add that in any unhealthy situation, or in a cultish church setting, when the discomfit becomes bigger than the pay off of staying, when being offended or hurt becomes bigger than the satisfaction of staying, it is the starting point for people to wake up and decide not to take it anymore and then they can begin to question their involvement and/or the group's legitimacy.

This is very good.

OMG, this is wonderful

I really liked it. I was also surprised by all the religious background paraphernalia. It definitely didn't help his credibility in my mind. He can see all the problems with the BoM, but where's his skepticism of the Bible?

I like how he admits the "Holy Spirit" is nothing more than emotional manipulation, while standing in front of a big Jesus poster! IMO, he's just ditched one form of cognitive dissonance for a lesser one.

A lot of what he said about Mormonism can equally be said about Christianity in general. Emotion is the way to truth. No one ever has a legitimate reason to leave. People who do leave are automatically untrustworthy. Etc.

I can understand the scepticism with the large Jesus sign in the background. But remember that he was invited onto a Christian online TV network to speak about his understandings of psychology as an exmo. Would it have made a difference to the message that he was giving if he had a large American flag in the background?

That LDS Inc. is nothing more than a bunch of slick salesmen who have been trained in the art of manipulation of our most basic psychology, our hopes, dreams and fears. That they target intelligent, vulnerable people, and totally transform the behaviors of those they find through emotional and psychological manipulation?