I swear I've read this before. Does anyone remember where this is?

"I don't know that we teach that. "

Maybe I learned it in Bott's class :(.

Probably. I never had the pleasure of taking his racist course.

I don't think this is the exact quote that I'd heard, but it is along the same lines.

Mark E Peterson:

“Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our worthiness or lack of it in the pre-existent life?… Can we account in any other of way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest Africa, or in flood-ridden China, or among the starving hordes of India, while some of the rest of us are born here in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre-existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter-day Saints. These are rewards and punishments, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with sinners and saints, rewarding all according to their deeds….
“Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. A Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity. But think of the mercy of God to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn’t the mercy of God marvelous?” [Emphasis mine. Coincidentally, this was delivered to the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954.]


Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2008/03/byu-religion-dean-on-premortal-life-part-i-race-and-nobility/#ixzz3EdIDV8HU



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'all the handicaps of that race????'

I don't know where the reference is, but TBMs are still getting the message nonetheless. In the last two weeks, I heard two TBMs say, "I wonder what great thing I must have done in the pre-existence to deserve to be a member of the church, live in the U.S., and have plenty of money to provide for myself and my family." I sort of thought the church had moved away from this type of thinking, but apparently not.

I don't know of any reference for pre-existence determining level of *wealth* in this life, but this thread (shameless plug – one of mine) may be what you remember reading.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1340273

Dyer was a GA.

That looks familiar to me, thank you for sharing it.

I also hate when TBMs think they deserve a higher place in the a CK than other people. I once had to break up with a guy because he was so smug about how valiant he must have been in the pre-existence and how he deserved so much more than people who accept the gospel in the next life. What a douche.

"I don't know where the reference is, but TBMs are still getting the message nonetheless. In the last two weeks, I heard two TBMs say, "I wonder what great thing I must have done in the pre-existence to deserve to be a member of the church, live in the U.S., and have plenty of money to provide for myself and my family."

My response, So what did the other millions of people do that have the same "blessings" that are not members?

The Gospel Topic on race disavows this thinking.