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(been doing genealogy again, need to quit that) My grand father and grandmother were half uncle and half niece, my mother is married to my uncle. I am pretty sure my grandfather's sister wife was his actual sister, luckily they did not have kids. Needless to say, this is not a good idea from a genetic standpoint. Has anyone done any research into the problems with polygamy and incest? It seems to be the norm in my family. Has it causes anyone else serious health issues?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2015 08:19PM by acjeff.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2015 08:19PM by acjeff.
I didn't do any research on that but in a country with a small mormongenpool it's a common phenomenon that everybody is somehow is related to everyone. In my homestake are actually 3 huge families who married crisscross. So we are all relatives on a certain level.
One symptom of Mormon inbreeding is palilalia. One symptom of Mormon inbreeding is palilalia.
donbagley Wrote:
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> One symptom of Mormon inbreeding is palilalia. One
> symptom of Mormon inbreeding is palilalia.
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I had to look that up. Good one donbagley... high five.
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> One symptom of Mormon inbreeding is palilalia. One
> symptom of Mormon inbreeding is palilalia.
Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahha.
I had to look that up. Good one donbagley... high five.
You just made me snort perfectly good, steamy-hot tea all over my keyboard!
Made me look it up too. Haaaaaaa!
It is not funny to mock something serious like that!
It is not funny to mock something serious like that!
It is not funny to mock something serious like that!
Seems your grandpa took the term "sister wife" literally. OK, that is just really gross. Maybe not surprising, really, since they probably weren't sure back then who were cousins, siblings, aunts and uncles. It must be hard to keep track of that when your family doesn't branch.
"Has anyone done any research into the problems with polygamy and incest?"
Yes, that subject has been covered here.
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1371364
Yes, that subject has been covered here.
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1371364
Written by a Mormon?:
Many, many years ago when I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be
This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red
My father fell in love with her and soon they too were wed
This made my dad my son-in-law and really changed my life
For now my daughter was my mother, 'cause she was my father's wife
And to complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy
My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad
For if he were my uncle, then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grownup daughter, who was of course my step-mother
Father's wife then had a son who kept them on the run
And he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son
My wife is now my mother's mother and it makes me blue
Because although she is my wife, she's my grandmother too
Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild
And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild
'Cause now I have become the strangest 'case you ever saw
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa
Many, many years ago when I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be
This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red
My father fell in love with her and soon they too were wed
This made my dad my son-in-law and really changed my life
For now my daughter was my mother, 'cause she was my father's wife
And to complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy
My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad
For if he were my uncle, then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grownup daughter, who was of course my step-mother
Father's wife then had a son who kept them on the run
And he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son
My wife is now my mother's mother and it makes me blue
Because although she is my wife, she's my grandmother too
Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild
And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild
'Cause now I have become the strangest 'case you ever saw
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa
This was a song, originally ritten by Dwight Latham and Moe Jaffe and was performed by Lonzo and Oscar in 1947. My maternal grandpa used to sing it once in a while!
Search it on Utube. There are versions where the relationships are diagrammed as the song is song. I STILL can't figure it out!
I just thought it was oddly a propos, in keeping with the situation.
Look at the Packer clan of Brigham City. Polygamous inbreeding has produced the enlarged heads and wierd body shapes many of them show.
A lot of polygamous inbreeding in that part of Utah going on up into Idaho.
Still going on with more than just the Kingston polygs in the area.
A lot of polygamous inbreeding in that part of Utah going on up into Idaho.
Still going on with more than just the Kingston polygs in the area.
and small little factories
"If a man and wife divorce in Cache Valley, are they still brother and sister?"
Moving East one county, do you folks who hail from the Logan area consider inbreeding a common phenomenon in Cache Valley? And if so, in what towns would this be most common?
Moving East one county, do you folks who hail from the Logan area consider inbreeding a common phenomenon in Cache Valley? And if so, in what towns would this be most common?
I'm third cousins to Hinkely through the Bitners.
As I recall there was a lot of inbreeding in that side of the family back into Switzerland and Austria. but it happened before 1800
As I recall there was a lot of inbreeding in that side of the family back into Switzerland and Austria. but it happened before 1800
I firmly believe that being a genealogist in Colorado City AZ/Hildale Ut is the very worst job on the planet. I'd rather clean toilets.
Great Cludgie - thanks for sharing.
Great Cludgie - thanks for sharing.
They all have the same DNA and there shore-s-hell ain't gonna be no dental records.
Wam. Bam. Thak you M'am.
Wom. Bom. Thank you Mom.
Wom. Bom. Thank you Mom.
married sisters, one of whom is my great-grandmother. I think that is pretty sick.
After my marriage failed, I was talking to my BIL once. I can't remember how polygamy came up, but he was telling me that my sister said if polygamy is practiced in the CK, she would never want to go there. I jokingly said to him, "She wouldn't even make sure I had a husband." He very seriously said NO! I can't even begin to imagine sharing my husband with one of my sisters. We have a difficult enough time getting along as it is.
And speaking of Cache Valley, my great-grandparents lived in Trenton.
After my marriage failed, I was talking to my BIL once. I can't remember how polygamy came up, but he was telling me that my sister said if polygamy is practiced in the CK, she would never want to go there. I jokingly said to him, "She wouldn't even make sure I had a husband." He very seriously said NO! I can't even begin to imagine sharing my husband with one of my sisters. We have a difficult enough time getting along as it is.
And speaking of Cache Valley, my great-grandparents lived in Trenton.
Well guess what?
I have Alzheimer's disease.
But really folks, it's no big deal.
At least I don't have Alzheimer's disease.
I have Alzheimer's disease.
But really folks, it's no big deal.
At least I don't have Alzheimer's disease.