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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: November 13, 2014 05:23AM

In another thread, RfM poster, "thingsithink," asked:

"How many wives did he [Joseph Smith] divorce? Or did they just drift apart?"

("I hear Joseph and Fanny separated. How many wives did he divorce?," posted by "thingsithink," on "Recovery from Mormonism" discussion board, 12 November 2014, at: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1429846,1429846#msg-1429846)


Let's limit this examination to the subject of Joe and divorce to the time period when he was actually alive and not count any women who decided to divorce the guy after he was dead.

Because Joe misled Emma during their marriage about his constant conniving concubinage, it was SHE who threatened to divorce him. Indeed, due to his track record of constant philandering, Emma eyed Joe with understandably unending suspicion, knowing from experience that he could not be trusted to keep his pants on when he was around other females. When she caught him "wedding" himself to other women behind her back, Joe would feign remorse and temporarily come clean--in one case even sending some of his newly-snared bonus-babe "brides" away Then he would return to his old cheating ways, ultimately driving Emma to the breaking point where she threatened him with ending their divorce in court.

In a bizarre and sick irony, Joe claimed that the Angel Moroni had told him he would not be shown the Book of Mormon gold plates unless he first married Emma. Joe married Emma, then started sleeping around:

"Emma hated polygamy all her life, even though there were moments when she reconciled herself to the new theology. For instance, in a gesture that must have tried her soul, she allowed Joseph to marry two pairs of young sisters who lived in the mansion with the Smiths: Emily and Eliza Partridge, and Sarah and Maria Lawrence. Joseph thanked Emma profusely, never informing her that he had, in fact, married the Partridge sisters two months beforehand, or that he already had 16 other wives. Right after the marriage ceremony, Emma 'was more bitter in her feelings than ever before, if possible,' Emily Partridge recounted, 'and before the day was over she turned around and repented what she had done.' Emma 'kept close watch on us,' Partridge added. 'If we were missing for a few minutes and Joseph was not at home the house was searched from top to bottom and if we were not found the neighborhood was searched until we were found.'

"Within just a few months, Emma threatened that 'blood would flow' if the marriages were not undone, and the sister wives were evicted. Joseph sheepishly arranged for the girls to board elsewhere in Nauvoo. William Clayton reported that Emma was threatening to sue for divorce, an untenable proposition for Joseph. Despite her many humiliations, Emma remained the 'Elect Lady' of the Latter-day Saints . . . . Joseph often mentioned that the angel Moroni refused to show him the golden plates until Joseph was married, and that Moroni specified Emma Hale as the desired spouse."

("Blood Vows: Joseph Smith, Mormonism and the Invention of American Polygamy: How polygamy created a schism among early Mormons — and ultimately led to the murder of the religion's founder," by Alex Beam, 20 APRIL 2014, at: http://www.salon.com/2014/04/20/blood_vows_joseph_smith_mormonism_and_the_invention_of_american_polygamy/)
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In another nauseating twist, Joe was known to marry women whose marriages were already in trouble--when his own marriage to Emma was on the rocks due to his insatiable impulse for infidelity:

"[One] theory [offered to explain Smith's perverted polygamous practices] is that Joseph married polyandrously when the marriage [of the latest new woman he wanted to shack up with] was unhappy [in her own marriage]. If this were true, it would have been easy for the woman to divorce her husband, then marry Smith. But none of these women did so; some of them stayed with their 'first husbands' until death.

"In the case of Zina Huntington Jacobs and Henry Jacobs--often used as an example of Smith Marrying a woman who's marriage was unhappy--the Mormon leader married her just seven months after she married Jacobs and then she stayed for years after Smith's death. Then the separation was forced when Brigham Young (who had married Zina polyandrously in the Nauvoo temple) sent Jacobs on a mission to England and began living with Zina himself" (Todd Compton, "In Sacred Loneliness").

("Was Joseph Smith's Polyandry Occasioned by Unhappy Marriages?," under "Joseph Smith and Polygamy," at: http://www.mrm.org/joseph-smith-and-polygamy)

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Joseph Smith was one sick, untrustworthy, horn-dog humping puppy who drove his first (and only lawfully-wedded) wife, Emma, to threaten to legally break off her marriage to the lying little bastard.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2014 05:39AM by steve benson.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: November 13, 2014 05:23PM

"How many wives did he [Joseph Smith] divorce? Or did they just drift apart?"

Joseph Smith and his "plural wives" drifted apart the moment his face was split apart by a bullet in Carthage.

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Posted by: thingsithink ( )
Date: November 13, 2014 06:29PM

This is pretty interesting to this nevermo. Do I understand correctly that these were not actually legally Joseph Smith's wives? No marriage license? No compliance with State law regarding marriage, etc? Just the church (or barn) sealing?

If not, then they aren't really wives - that would be another lie by the mormon church to the general public -- that he had "wives."

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: November 13, 2014 09:55PM

. . . given that polygamy was a crime in the United States at the time he was entering into these sham plural "marriages."

Not only did Smith know--and brazenly lie about--the fact that he was illegally engaging in adulterous affairs (in violation of Illinois state law), he knew that he was also violating existing anti-polygamy laws:

" . . . Mormon polygamy was never legal, at any time--not even in the Utah territory from 1847 to 1890.

"[At that time] [m]arriage [was] a legal contract between one man and one woman. There ha[d] never been a law enacted to allow otherwise. All the married Mormons who emigrated to Utah in 1847 had been married under the civil laws of their respective states; each one of those states had laws against bigamy, thus making monogamy the "common law."

"The very reason Brigham Young chose to move to Utah, rather than Oregon, California or Texas, as others suggested, was because Utah was an uninhabited 'no man's land.' However, the area was legally Mexican territory and polygamy was illegal in Mexico.

"In the United States, marriage is a legal contract regulated by the various states. When the Mormons went to Utah in 1847, all married Mormons at that time had been married under laws of the states they had come from. Utah became U.S. territory in 1848 after the Mexican War and, thus, all citizens living therein became subject to the common laws of the nation, including marriage laws. (To use an analogy, you get your drivers' license from your state but it is recognized as being legal in all the states. Marriage licenses are similar).

"Once in Utah, Young attempted to establish the 'Territory of Deseret,' and operate the area as a theocracy, under the 'Law of the Lord,' which included plural marriage and blood atonement. However, Congress rejected Young's attempt and, in 1850, the area was officially established as Utah Territory, with territorial overseers appointed from Washington, D.C.. President Millard Fillmore appointed Young as governor. Thus, polygamy became specifically illegal under U.S. common laws in 1850; but, since polygamy was also illegal under Mexican laws beforehand, there was never a time when polygamy was legal in Utah.

"The 1862 federal Morrill Act was not the first law which made bigamy illegal; it was merely the first law which specifically reinforced existing state anti-bigamy laws. It was enacted specifically to close the 'loophole' that the Mormons mistakenly believed they were operating under.

"Even after the passage of the 1862 Morrill Act, the Mormon Church continued to practice polygamy in violation of the law for another half-century, and repeately challenged those laws. So anyone who argues that '[t]he Mormons stopped practicing polygamy when it was made illegal' are either misinformed or misrepresenting the truth.

"The final nail on the coffin which demonstrates polygamy's illegality was when Ann Eliza Webb filed for 'divorce' from Brigham Young and sued him for alimony in 1877. Young successfully argued that their relationship was 'an ecclesiastical affair, not a legal one' and the judge rightly ruled that since there was never any legal marriage, Webb could not file for divorce nor seek alimony.

"Since Young himself admitted that his own 'plural marriage'" were not legal marriages, that means that no other Mormon "plural marriage" at any time was a legal marriage either. No legal marriage licenses were ever applied for nor granted, and every single child born of Mormon 'plural marriages' was illegitimate--i.e., not born in a legal marriage.

"All of the federal laws enacted against Mormon polygamy from 1862 to 1879 merely served to force the Mormons to comply with existing common laws. But the fact that those additional laws were enacted does not mean that Mormon polygamous marriages were ever legal in the first place.

"In 1878, the United States Supreme Court upheld the conviction of a Mormon under the federal statute prohibiting bigamy against a challenge that, among other things, the statute infringed on the first amendment right to freedom of religion. In so doing, the Court noted that polygamy had 'always been odious among the northern and western nations of Europe and, until the establishment of the Mormon Church, was almost exclusively a feature of the life of Asiatic and of African people.'

"The U.S. Supreme Court described further that:

"' . . . [A]t common law, the second marriage was always void (2 Kent, Com. 79), and from the earliest history of England polygamy has been treated as an offence against society. After the establishment of the ecclesiastical [98 U.S. 145, 165] courts, and until the time of James I., it was punished through the instrumentality of those tribunals, not merely because ecclesiastical rights had been violated, but because upon the separation of the ecclesiastical courts from the civil the ecclesiastical were supposed to be the most appropriate for the trial of matrimonial causes and offences against the rights of marriage, just as they were for testamentary causes and the settlement of the estates of deceased persons.

"'By the statute of 1 James I. (c. 11), the offence, if committed in England or Wales, was made punishable in the civil courts, and the penalty was death. As this statute was limited in its operation to England and Wales, it was at a very early period re-enacted, generally with some modifications, in all the colonies.' (U.S. v. Reynolds, 98 U.S. 145, 164-65 [1878])

"The point is, polygamy has] always been illegal in 'civilized' western Christian cultures.

"And, since the 1862 Morrill Anti-Bigamy act, the 1879 SCOTUS Reynolds decision, and the 1882 Edmunds Act all reaffirmed the illegality of Mormon 'plural marriage,' then why did the Mormon God wait until 1890 to reveal to Wilford Woodruff that the church needed to obey the laws of the land which had already been in force for over 40 years?

"And if the Mormon God told Woodruff to obey the laws of the land in 1890, then why did Woodruff himself 'plural marry' Lydia Mountford in 1897? And why did other LDS General Authorities secretly authorize dozens of other 'plural marriages' between 1890 and at least 1906? And why was LDS Church president Joseph F. Smith convicted of unlawful cohabitation and fined $300 in 1906?

"What we must keep in mind is that Joseph Smith's 'revelation on celestial marriage,' which introduced and authorized 'plural marriage,' is Mormon scripture, even today as Section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants.

"But in introducing the 'revelation on celestial marriage,' Joseph Smith directly contradicted the 1835 ]Doctrine and Covenants' scripture which specifically prohibited the practice of polygamy; and by practicing polygamy, Joseph Smith violated his God's order to 'obey the laws of the land.'

"So, we have a little problem here--and Smith's Prophetic successors as Church leader Brigham Young, and then John Taylor, continued to advocate and practice polygamy in violation of the law for another half-century. And the LDS Church's current edition of the Doctrine and Covenants still contains the 'revelation on celestial marriage,' which sanctions plural marriage.

"So, why did the founding prophet of the LDS Church contradict and violate his own revelations,' as well as the laws of the land, by secretly teaching and practicing polygamy? Why did Smith's successors continue to teach and practice polygamy for another half a century, in violation of the laws of the land?
If the practice of polygamy was wrong, then why did Joseph Smith tell his followers that God sent an angel with a sword to threaten him with death if he did not practice polygamy? Did Joseph Smith just make up all that or what?"

("Mormon Polygamy Was Never Legal," under "LDS Mormon Polygamy Law Illegal," at: http://www.i4m.com/think/polygamy/polygamy_illegal.htm)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2014 09:58PM by steve benson.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: June 01, 2017 02:29AM

The trolls are sweaty and restless tonight, )

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Posted by: presleynfactsrock ( )
Date: November 13, 2014 07:45PM

Except for Emma, all of the other wives were actually ole busy, busy Joe's mistresses, as he had never been legally wed to them.

Would have made quite the TV program, "Bigger Love", don't you think?

They could have all had homes side by side, taken turns awaiting his bedroom visit, which I guess would happen every 5 weeks, and baked Joe's favorite horn-dog pie for him. I can see him now saying, "Well, sweetie, last night was extra special and I know that you will make tonight extra, extra special now won't you? Will you hurry up and get these boots off for me like I asked you to? And, I don't see my pipe, slug of tobacco, or red wine I asked for."

What a delight to have been one of his mistresses.

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Posted by: relievedtolearn ( )
Date: June 06, 2017 11:29AM

This is an amazing testament to what "charismatic leader" means


And here's Joe, women being loyal through all this? Weird and creepy-sounding---but they were loyal, so he must really have been a charmer.

Except to Emma, who probably thought she'd be his precious little darlin' especially since she invoked her parents' displeasure and lied for him to be his wifey.

Makes ya think about how easily people can be lured to act in ways that are immoral and nuts---happened in the early church, happened in the third reich, happened in China during the cultural revolution. eeek!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2017 11:31AM by relievedtolearn.

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