The church mags arrived today and on the New Era cover I saw "Manly Men and Real Womanhood."
Perfect example of why I don't want my children reading this stuff or being taught it.

Four points in Article 1 on "Real Womanhood" (Is there a kind that isn't real?)
1. Develop Talents (set goals like in personal progress, dream, find joy in womanhood and serve)
2. Discover True Beauty (use makeup in moderation, be "spiritually attractive," *gag* and remember that by faith and repentence you earn inner beauty *double gag*)
3. Embrace Motherhood (choose it, want it, love it)
4. Focus on Eternal Goals (Focus on the temple, focus on eternity - focus on the happiness there since in your earthly role as a stupid, simpering, obedient, lightly-lipsticked Mormon woman you won't find much happiness at all.)


Five points in Article 2 on "Manly Behavior" (Seriously?)
1. Do Hard Things (Women don't do that?)
2. Learn Useful Skills (Women don't do that?)
3. Respect Womanhood (Apparently despite the fact that they don't do hard things or learn useful skills-)
4. Serve in and Strengthen your Priesthood Quorum (Women don't serve or strengthen anyone in Relief Society? They only serve and nurture as mothers?)
5. Gain an Education (Women don't do that either? Somehow that is inherently "manly behavior?")


It is 2015, people.
Anyone else find this outrageous?

Man drag knuckles, woman drag childrens.

EL ~ OH ~ EL

you funny don

You know it's Don Bagley before even glancing at the handle!

As long as LDS women cannot participate in leadership roles and form policy, women and children are in the same category.

12 year old boys have more "power and authority" than adult women, even their own wise grandmothers.

Apparently men don't need to be spiritually attractive, or want, and embrace fatherhood. That be womens work. They also don't need eternal goals.


Both of those lists are stupid and insulting to both men and women.

Is spiritual attractiveness when you drink enough scotch so the dude you are talking to looks hot now?

Got to keep everyone playing their "roles" to keep the scam going!

This is totally gag-inducing misogyny. Reminds of the 1950's magazine article I saw once recommending how to take care of your husband. Things like--have dinner ready when he gets home and have yourself and the kids all cleaned up and pretty! Let him relax while you clean up and continue to take care of the kids. Don't say things that might make him feel like you are smarter than him, and on and on.

Also, are these "manly" things part of their incredibly insulting gay reparative therapy? TSCC is truly sick and rotten.

They wouldn't want anyone to be themselves, then they might actually start thinking for themselves!

"Men have orgasms, women have babies."

It's a shame, but it's quite likely that if there were a revelation that in the CK the above declaration were true, there'd still be a lot of TBM women who'd be okay with that.

It's a through-back to Victorian views that it's only normal and right for men to have a sex drive while women are primarily driven to reproduce. Sadly, this idea is still prevalent in Western society i.e. "Women need a reason to have sex, men need a place."

It's not even accurate since women can orgasm too.

That's also why great grandma went to the doctor a lot:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/m/maines-technology.html

Yes. Out-RAGEOUS!

My granddaughter will be raised on this nonsense (from her mother's side of the family). Although her father (my son) doesn't have full joint custody, hopefully he'll have enough of an influence in her life to counteract it somewhat. But it scares the hell outta me.

Tell me that isnt real.

If you want some good news, take it from a youth leader who's and undercover doubter, these teenage girls are taking that nonsense less and less.

I think you're right about that. I also think there are more mother that encourage their daughters to get an education before having a baby. It's a bit underground, but it id there. Some mormon women see how the old mommy ways were detrimental to their life, and want their daughters to have more options.

Authentic manly men don't need anyone telling them how to be manly, particularly a bunch of pasty old men with soft hands and cloying voices.

Hm. I'm thinking "Fascinating Womanhood" and "Man of Steel and Velvet."

cludgie Wrote:
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> Hm. I'm thinking "Fascinating Womanhood" and "Man
> of Steel and Velvet."
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HEY!

Pass the barf bucket!!!!

|BARF|
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Eisenhower got some new golf clubs.
Er, no wait. It's 2015.

As long as TSCC pushes its anachronistic male fantasy, it will lose young folks. Which is good because that's better than the train wreck that follows the eventual shelf collapse.

I thought they had sorta gotten over this in "Meet the Mormons" when they had that female MMA fighter.

But no, they still have "To Young Men Only" is still being printed and available. BKP's ideals on the male gender: "Boys are to become men—masculine, manly men—ultimately to become husbands and fathers."https://www.lds.org/manual/to-young-men-only/to-young-men-only?lang=eng

Now, I've got the song to "Two and A Half Men" in my head.

Hey dinah:

Those mags are really meant for the outhouse.

Oh, it's not 1840 still?

Revolting. I want to defy them to annoy them

I thought this was a wind-up, but it's got a lot of TBM's annoyed too. Manly manhood and womanly womanhood. How about just trying to be a decent human instead?

These gender roles are so stupid and sexist it's funny



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2015 04:06AM by iamanevermormon.

Prophet George Albert Smith approves of, and possibly wrote, this message.

Same shit, different day for the morg. Notions of attraction are so fucked in the church- have you ever noticed the preponderance of attractive women married to ugly, balding, chubby men? And, in much, much less frequency, attractive men married to ugly, ugly, women.

8's marry 8's, 6's marry 6's, etc. It's typically the truth. When their is pregnancy or money involved, their can be a ton of leeway. I suppose the church teaches you to disregard attractiveness (except women still need to make themselves presentable?), so they do it for all the wrong reasons. Women should throw themselves at the fattest most slovenly men as long as they're 'worthy priesthood holders.' I think, no matter what, deep down inside these women shudder at the choices they make when these bizarre disproportionate marriages take place.

It seems that some sisters were sitting in the front pews at a meeting, well we couldn't have that.

From B.Y.'s perspective, "I have a request to make of the doorkeepers and of those brethren who seat the congregation, as also of our sisters, some of whom, I see, are occupying a few of the seats that we usually reserve for strangers. We should be very much pleased if the sisters would fill up other parts of the house first, and we would like the brethren who seat the congregation, to see that the seats generally occupied by strangers are held in reserve today until the meeting commences; then, if those for whom they are reserved do not come to fill them, they may be used by the sisters. I hope this will be recollected and observed."
http://journalofdiscourses.com/13/30

Note* He did say that he hoped this would be recollected and observed, so the next time you see sisters sitting up front, please ask them to move to the back pews.

"Note* He did say that he hoped this would be recollected and observed, so the next time you see sisters sitting up front, please ask them to move to the back pews."

Not to be confused with making them move to the back of the bus....

Reminds me of my patriarchal blessing as it said nearly the same crap about my role in womanhood. I should take special effort to become attractive for my husband and I should work on myself that my inner beauty shines on the outside. *GAG* Actually that was the geezers way to say "hey fat chick you better loose some pounds and get a nice hairdo or you'll never found someone who is willing to marry you and you will be forever alone"
It is so wrong to tell this crap to the Youth. Instead of teaching them to be attractive and desireable for the guys they better should teach them to respect theirself and to accept theirself the way they are. But this is not wanted. I was serving as YW leader and was called to bishops office because I dare to teach them that it's more important to gain education and to develop and discover themself during their early adulthood than to marry and live beyond own expectations just to be married and have 4 brats at 27. I told them it's better to date for a year or two than to marry after a few month of groupdating a random RM and regret it a year later.

I said I will not teach anything that I'm not 100% standing in for. He said I'm a feminist. I said I wonder why it sounds like a slander from his mouth....
I got a that's why you are still not married yet talk (I was 24!) He got a I am fucking happy to be not married to a guy I actually don't know answer.

Of course I was released after that really quick. Oh no wait I got a new inspired calling in RS - obviously to learn more about true womanhood.

Because I thought it was so outrageous. I couldn't find it on LDS.org. Which issue was this?

It is the February 2015 New Era. The articles are called "Wet Cement and Real Womanhood" and "Power Flexing, Being Polite, and Other Manly Behaviors."

So I have been reading posts on here for a while, but this post is the one that finally got me to register and participate.

I swear these articles are straight out of the YW manuals I was taught out of in the early-mid 90’s. And they made me want to scream then too.

This is the kind of crap the YM read and then when they go off to BYU and don’t make it into the highly competitive accounting program, they whine and moan about how you (a woman…apparently not a “real woman” though according to the articles) are just taking up a “man’s space” in the program and how you won’t even use your education because you’ll just be “having babies and not working.” And they feel justified in telling you this because there it is, right there in a church magazine that they should be gaining an education and you should be busy embracing motherhood. They cannot fathom that a woman might actually be going to school to get an education (and a job).

This is disgusting. A large part of the problem I have with TSCC, apart from the lying, is that they like to tell everyone how they should act, what to think, and what their 'role' is. How bout letting people figure out their own path....