Disciplinary Council invitations and conclusions general policy: they are mailed or handed to the individual.
Many, many members have been disfellowshipped or excommunicated. It's a confidential meeting that most people don't hear a word about.
Members who draw attention to themselves, as we have seen recently by starting movements or other activities, and those that have written books in the past the church did not authorize have been excommunicated or disfellowshiped. We could go back to the Sept. Six of 1993, for instance.
I have often pointed out that this is no different than working for a business/company and misrepresenting the product, or publishing negative comments, or disagreeing with the platform of the company. Don't play by the rules, don't cease and decease, etc., the employee is fired, or in volunteer organizations, told to leave and unceremoniously dismissed.
I'm quite sure the LDS Church will continue to excommunicate and disfellowship members as they have been doing from the beginning. In fact, that's an interesting study to see how many were exed and came back and who didn't!
SusieQ#1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Many, many members have been disfellowshipped or > excommunicated. It's a confidential meeting that > most people don't hear a word about.
This may be true now - I have no idea. However, when my dad was disfellowshipped way back in 1980, his disfellowshipment was announced in some sort of ward meeting (priesthood?) and therefore was in NO WAY confidential. He was very much humiliated and the entire ward caught wind of it that day.
I may not have made myself clear. The Disciplinary Council aka Hearing is confidential. What I meant by private -- is it's not a media blitz.
Yes, there is often an announcement, often in Priesthood and sometimes in Sacrament. Those policies have changed over the years. I don't know what the current policy is.
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discipline councils often precede divorces, but TSCC doesn't care;
they seem to think that X'ing one member might isolate that person, 'protect the church's reputation' <HA!>, or perhaps example what happens when a member does something 'serious' (often that's also a JOKE).
My excommunication was announced in PEC meeting. PEC includes the bishopric, the HPGL and EQP (or their representatives if they can't make the meetings). The RS president was told. Others "heard about it" such as the former HPGL. These are the ones that I know about.
From the above list, you can tell that the outcome of disciplinary councils are NOT private nor confidential.
spin spin spin.......did anyone really expect balanced reporting and insight from a single one of the many former members who felt that the disciplinary council was one of the most humiliating and upsetting moments in their lives.
Good point. My "Court of Love" was humiliating and one of the worst experiences of my life and I wasn't even exed. I don't think being disfellowshipped is all that different though. People pretty much acted like they thought they could catch the plague from me and I was at that young age and at BYU when I cared more what people thought about me than I currently do. I could handle it now, but I was so young then. I was the Gospel Doctrine teacher though, so I think an example needed to be made of me. I should have just resigned then. I was disciplined for not believing.
BTW: my personal opinion is that any disciplinary action from a church has no real value for anyone on either side. But many churches do it. The one exception is when the group needs to be protected from some serious criminal acts.
But, we learn early on, play by the rules or you are kicked out. It's the same rule for everyone, everywhere!
Life is not fair.
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It is NOT NOT NOT the same rule for everyone everywhere. I've known a few people that got x'd for cheating on their spouse. I've known others who were told to stop that. I've known rapists who weren't disciplined at all, and some that were x'd.
I've known lots of single people who were put on probation for having out of wedlock sex. Others were just told to not do that any more. I've only known one who got x'd.
The church leaders have never been disciplined for their dishonest business deals. I've known some members who have.
It's all in who you know, who you're related to, if your famous, and how much money you have.
You come from a perspective that tends to invalidate those who were born into the Mormon Church.
When you are born into that set of rules and your whole life and family are a part of it, then your flippant "play by the rules or you are kicked out. It's the same rule for everyone, everywhere" Doesn't have anything to do with what we have gone through.
Your personal opinion that the ruling has no value also shows how little you know about the lives of people who are born into the church.
"I repeatedly sinned, in any religion's book." "...Then it was Carl's turn. He described what he had done. "About a box of Kleenex later, I finally finished,"
What did your do? What was your sin? How about a few details so we could come to our own conclusion?
You can't draw any conclusion without at least an example. This says nothing. Propaganda. What drivel.
I also wouldn't even be surprised if these 'people' that had such wonderful experiences are purely fictitious. How did DN find and contact these people any way?
My point, again: Yes, the disciplinary council/hearing is done in strict confidentiality. The leaders do not discuss the meeting. Tape recorders and video cameras are not allowed.
Yes, there is often an announcement in a meeting of some sort when someone is disfellowshipped or excommunicated. Generally, it's the following Priesthood meeting.
Letters of invitation and the results of the disciplinary council/hearing are mailed or hand delivered.
Yes, the same rules apply to everyone: you defy and ignore council and policy with any organization or business and do so publicly, and repeatedly, with no willingness to comply and you can expect to be let go/fired, released. Sometimes sued and fined.
If you don't like the LDS Church for any reason, you are free to leave with no repercussions from the church. Other people might not like it, but that's another matter, entirely.
I'm convinced that Mr. Dehlin chose the route he is taking, purposely and with the support of his family. It appears he has not been a believer for sometime, and could have resigned his membership at any point. I don't know why he is taking this course and forcing them to excommunicate him as a result of his refusal to follow their council and requirements when it would have been much easier to just resign.
I've been on the receiving end of their stupid court. No way in hell is it confidential. They have a secretary sitting there writing down every word. That goes into your file for life.
Every SP, and bishop you have can read it if they want to. If they keep it in their file drawer, anyone with access to that can read it. That could be anyone from the janitor to the Beehive president.
Also, that record didn't put itself on a computer file. It took humans to do that. I call SLC one time and my record was available at the touch of a key stroke to the senior missionary I was talking to.
I didn't show up to the court, but I've been told that my parents were there. Confidential? I hardy think so.
My ex was on the High Council 2 times in our marriage. He would come home after a 'love court' and tell me all about the person being judged. I didn't want to hear,but he wanted to talk. I'm sure he was not the only person talking after one of these courts. So,to get that many men involved,it isn't going to be confidential. Everyone in the ward knows in a matter of days.
This is just stupid, I would imagine most of the people here at the recovering from Mormonism site are more ethical and moral and have stronger convection about what is true than those imbecile and cretin in charge of the disciplinary council of the eternally lost to the pits of Hell LDS Church. I have never been called before any board about my actions, and I would would image they would hate to hear the truth I would speak to their lying tongues. Proverbs 6:17… 16There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, 18A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil,… These are all found in the Mormon Cult.