I have some friends(never-mo) who are wrapped up in Do-Terra oils. At first it wasn't too bad. They went to some convention in Salt Lake. Since they came back they've been doing the full-court press. REally pushing their product.

It seems like they're going to get burned. I feel bad and scared.

Anyone know about this company? It's pretty sketch right? I mean, it's setting off my BS meter.

They just built some very shiny and expensive offices in Pleasant Grove.

They're one cog in the big fake-medicine machine. Bracelet magnets, crystal necklaces, psychic mediums, fake 'supplements,' chiropractic, and priesthood blessings all pretty much get lumped into the same category as far as I'm concerned. It's superstition with a thin veneer of credibility around it, and it's only as effective as the placebo effect.

So, they're not fly-by-night Ponzi schemers in the sense that they will just take your money and give you nothing in return. As far as the business goes, it's not going to disappear. The product, however, is no different than sugar pills other than the price. But the same can be said for everything I listed in the previous paragraph, and lots of people still seem to be in the market.

They apparently believe their smelly oils will cure cancer.

I love my doTERRA oils; I know how to use them and I use them everyday; I have used them to help a lot of people as well.
I don't like network marketing.

A lot of people here hate essential oils. But I happen to love them. I never knew they were some mormon thing until I saw it here!

Anyway, I know several people who swear by them, and have a very close, never-mormon friend who is a distributor.

I have always compared the company and the way it operates to other home party businesses like The Pampered Chef or Lia Sofia jewelry.

I wouldn't recommend you stop taking your cancer meds and use oils to be magically cured, and if they start making those claims I'd run the other way, but I love them for cold and flu, menstrual cramps, headaches, stress and anxiety.

I am in the minority here, but that's my opinion.

Essential oils are not a mormon thing. They have been used for thousands of years.

here we go...

cap Wrote:
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> Essential oils are not a mormon thing. They have
> been used for thousands of years.


Even back then I guess people didn't know WTF essential oils were good for. I suppose they are like making the tonics from the 1800s thinking it actually did something for your health.

To each their own.

Of their "Wintergreen capsules."

They were about a millimeter in diameter, made of gelatin, and I was told to let it dissolve in my mouth.

It was wintergreen alright, but suggesting it was a "sugar-free mint" was a bit of a stretch.

I've seen worse MLM claims out there, of course. I forget which one it was that an honest-to-garsh physician claimed would cure basal-cell carcinomas, warts, bad breath, impotence, frigidity, diabetes, pneumonia, and deafness in certain cases.

I'm sure that dose is quite safe, but wintergreen really shouldn't be ingested.

I suppose at next year's conference I'll have to decline politely. I'd blow my tip if passed on your information, however.

You can drop all the money you want on whatever you consider useful...

I see nothing that goes beyond anecdotal evidence of the efficacy of sacred, er, scented oil...

Oh no! I just checked and the cleaner that my TBM parents gave me is doterra. I had no idea is was a Mormon thing. It's going to be hard to use it and enjoy it now. Ugh!

There is some science behind some of the oils and there is a lot of hype and nonsense behind the crap they spew as well. The problem I have with the Doterra stuff is that they cross a big line when they say "use this and this to treat/cure this and this". These statements are against the FDA guidelines. They can not make these statements. And it pisses me off.

It also bothers me when the hard line oil folks push oils too much. I don't want to use the oils. Thank you. That is all I should have to say. Stop trying to sell sell sell every time you talk to me.

And the last thing that bothered me, before my eyes were opened to the fraud that was the LDS "church", more and more of the people that started into the oils thing also started doing this "energy clearing" thing that just seemed to go against everything that the church taught. They somehow would call a lady that lived half way across the country (who was a member of the church, temple recommend holder, in good standing), pay $65 a session for an hour, and she would talk with their "spirit"/energy to clear "blocks" from past generations or the preexistence that were causing them to experience issues today like difficulty loosing weight, doing well in school, problems with addiction to porn, or trouble within your marriage (to which she would ask permission to speak to the spirit/energy of the spouse of the person she was talking on the phone with ... not ever actually speaking to the owner of said spouse ... to clear the blockages causing the problems in the relationship). Like.... this was just .... hinky.

Oh, and just fyi, it is possible to actually have a real allergy to these oils. So be careful with them. My son's throat swelled shut and he stopped breathing when lemongrass was put on the bottom of his feet while he was at a friends house playing. That was a fun ER visit.

tiredofhiding Wrote:
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started
> into the oils thing also started doing this
> "energy clearing" thing that just seemed to go
> against everything that the church taught. They
> somehow would call a lady that lived half way
> across the country (who was a member of the
> church, temple recommend holder, in good
> standing), pay $65 a session for an hour, and she
> would talk with their "spirit"/energy to clear
> "blocks" from past generations or the preexistence
> that were causing them to experience issues today
> like difficulty loosing weight, doing well in
> school, problems with addiction to porn, or
> trouble within your marriage (to which she would
> ask permission to speak to the spirit/energy of
> the spouse of the person she was talking on the
> phone with ... not ever actually speaking to the
> owner of said spouse ... to clear the blockages
> causing the problems in the relationship).
> Like.... this was just .... hinky.
>

Holy shit! That is like an OT level Audit straight out of the scientologist playbook morphed into LDS paradigms. I feel sorry for the idiot that paid $65 for that session. Heavily discounted of course when compared to a scientologist Audit prices.

If this were serious medicine they would act like a legitimate company.

Legitimate companies are not MLMs, all MLMs are garbage.

^^THIS.

Products sold this way are done so to maximize profits, mostly by screwing over the sales people ("investers"). MLM's should be illegal--don't support them. It's straight-up fraud.

As far as the efficacy of oils, if there isn't even a basic scientific explanation of the process of how they work (not faux-science), it's literal and figurative snake oil.

I'm a certified Homeopath/ Master Herbalist. I completely believe in the benefits of essential oils. doTerra, however is no different from any other essential oil on the market. Their oils aren't even organic. This can greatly effect the benefits. I don't believe they can cure any disease, they do help in treating. The best thing for cancer is prevention, limit the amount of toxins your body comes in contact with. Using essential oils instead of conventional products helps with this. Just my two cents worth

"I'm a certified Homeopath"

Homeopathy is as effective as is Voodoo. How can you be certified in BS? lol

Doterra products would likely not be able to compete in the real world.

That's why they chose the MLM route to Market. Once a few have been brainwashed, they then do all the work to recruit others.

Only a few smart leaders high up will make money (and good money too), the majority will waste their time as well as their money and also and waste their friends and family time.

I remember friends becoming AMWAY recruits, they were a nightmare to talk too and were taught to blame themselves for financial failure. A cult like all MLM cults.

And they are not a good substitution for vaccinations!

These types tend to run in the same brainwashed groups. And their spouses work at Vivint or some other MLM.

I challenge that generalization. The anti-vaccination crowd come in all sorts of religious and political stripes. Joe Kennedy, for example.

Damn.

I'm doing to start marketing "Baura's Miracle Cebes"

Have conventions where people give testimonials to their
effectiveness. Market them with an MLM organization of course.
I'll advertise them as "the most powerful placebos you can get
without a prescription." Of course, I'll point out that unlike
harmful medicines, there are no harsh chemicals in my Miracle
Cebes.

baura Wrote:
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> Damn.
>
> I'm doing to start marketing "Baura's Miracle
> Cebes"
>
> Have conventions where people give testimonials to
> their
> effectiveness.
> I'll advertise them as "the most powerful placebos
> you can get
> without a prescription."

Bravo, Baura. Quite a few years ago I had a gag (pun intended) item, a little bottle of "Damitol--the Placebo That Works!" (It was actually tiny little mints.)

Saturday Night Live (I'm old enough to remember when it was funny!) once had a spoof add for "Arthritic Strength Tryanopenum," as they showed gnarled fingers trying unsuccessfully to manipulate the child-resistant (and geriatric-proof) cap.

My idea for gag medicine is "TyOneOn--Simply wash a capsule down with a litre of vodka to obliterate all pain!"

Damitol!

TyOneOn!!

Ha, Ha, Ha!!! Hilarious!

But the one that really hit home for these old fingers was,Tryanopenum! Now that one you can sign me up for - autoship!

There are a lot of ladies hocking this stuff in my neighborhood. Nes flash: Oil cannot cure ebola. I live in Utah. The MLM capital of the world. It's sad to see these ladies hocking all their money away on garbage and making wild claims. You can get essential oils cheaper and better quality. Don't waste your money

This should pretty much cover it:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/doterra-multilevel-marketing-of-essential-oils/

Read the linked articles at the bottom, too.

Short summary: they're complete nonsense.

I think at best, essential oils can be the placebo effect, and at worst, Doterra is a MLM scheme. One thing with essential oils is that most should be used with a carrier oil instead of full strength, and they should never be taken internally. Personally, I like a little bit of lavender oil in a bath as a way to relax at night, but that's really about it.

Look up Max Goddard. He was burned by fireworks on July 2, 2014. Parents treated him with Doterra oils (and a priesthood blessing) before calling 911. That poor kid.

I realize most of the stuff I've heard about essential oils is probably bs, but if it works, it's a service rendered. I have asthma, and the one called Breathe does in fact help me breathe a little easier. Perhaps it's just the aroma, and a good deal of it is placebo, I know this, but air is air, and I like air. The only good thing that can always be said about homeopathic stuff is that it can't hurt to try, just don't get swept off your feet by their lofty promises.