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Posted by: IMout ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 06:24PM

I counted close to 30 different pyramid scheme's that I have been

asked to join over the years. I still smile when I think of the

Mormon women I have known over the many years who have vehemently

stated that they did not work, yet were doing parties and sales

pitches all week,leaving their children home to fend for

themselves. I could never have an authentic conversation with

them because whatever they were selling was going to cure the

world of whatever problems it had. LOL. We could be talking

about world peace and they would interject a blurb for whatever

they were selling.


I got succored once at BYU and that was fifty years ago and

It cured me forever.


Yes, there are some good products out there but when it becomes

an obsession instead of a business, I say "enough already"

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Posted by: jerry64 ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 06:44PM

They've been taught all their lives to just believe if they feel it, so they never check out the authenticity of claims (either of the product itself or rates of sales).

RM's have been door-to-door salesmen and think they can sell anything.

Mormon wives are discouraged from having a job outside the home and yet families could use a second income.

They build up a lot of trust in their Mormon friend circle so will go along to please their friends (which later leads to pissing-off the rest of their friends)

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Posted by: IMout ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 07:08PM

Good thoughts, thank you. I always felt sad for women who were

pitching plastic ware, doing other peoples ironing, babysitting,

taught Relief Society on Tuesday (back in the olden days LOL).

Cooked a meal for a family in need, Got older kids off to

Seminary, and Mutual Wednesday night, little kids to primary

Thursday after school, Family home evening on Monday evening

which, of course required a dessert and planning. Doing the

books for her husband. Not to forget visiting teaching,

and making sure that everyone was dressed and pressed on

Sunday so "Sister Bertha-Better-Than-You" wasn't whispering and

pointing. All this and that poor woman felt obliged

to say that she didn't WORK OUTSIDE the home.

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Posted by: IMout ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 07:16PM

LOL, You are so right. The only time I ever received a personal

phone call from my Stake President was when he was selling

something.

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Posted by: Stray Mutt ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 06:49PM

Faith-based marketing.

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 06:53PM

Cuz the women aren't supposed to work outside the home, and MLMs seem like "non-jobs" and therefore acceptable. Plus, they are all desperately broke due to tithing, too many kids and the pressure to support missionaries etc., so they try to "have faith" that the Lawd will make up the difference and open the windows of heaven to increase their income thru an MLM.

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Posted by: memikeyounot ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 06:54PM

The selling thing that always surprises me are the newly returned RM's who go down south during the summer and sell pest control. Some of them seem to do really well and make big money.

I guess there's lots of bugs there and I wonder if they are just underselling the normal bug guys to make that money.

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Posted by: presleynfactsrock ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 06:57PM

Part of the answer is that their fellow church friends are pushing the schemes, say the bishop or his counselor, and if they say the deal is too good to pass, why those people would not lie to them.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 07:17PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q6B-ROmZ6A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2uWvWcPqcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rxGQFELVlI

There is one scam in Utah that has robbed people far more than any other. WHEN will the law finally shut it down ?

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Posted by: holytheghost ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 07:19PM

Because church members are taught that good feelings = truth. Furthermore, we/they are/were not taught any method for distinguishing between supernatural inspired emotions and normal no supernatural emotions.
Therefore, you get told you can make lots of money, it's easy to imagine, that gives you a good feeling, that feeling feels exactly like inspiration.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 07:57PM

What gets me is how when one MLM tanks, the idiots glom onto the next one. Maybe it's like automatically revering the next prophet. Yes, I do find them stupid. Hi Mom!

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Posted by: michaelc1945 ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 08:08PM

MLM schemes are structured along the lines of the church.

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Posted by: unworthy ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 08:11PM

I feel they are always looking to get rich without working for it. Let the people under them do the work, then gain from them. Never seen one work yet. When I lived in Utah, a neighbor came over and told me about how great some program he was invested in. said I should borrow on my house value (my house was paid for)so I could get rich. About 6 months later, lost his house, his life was a mess. They an't no free lunch,,

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 09:56PM

Had a Mormon sibling try to talk me into it. Had I done so, I'd be sans house by now.

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Posted by: adoylelb ( )
Date: February 22, 2015 12:09AM

Exactly. My ex-husband was into every MLM scheme for this reason as he didn't want to actually work, yet be able to get rich. Shortly after I divorced him, he and his mom lost the house in foreclosure because they didn't make the bankruptcy court payments.



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Posted by: alyssum ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 08:13PM

I had a friend try to get me involved in an MLM. I liked the product but told her I didn't like MLMs. She looked me right in the eye and said, "The Church is an MLM." I stared back, dumbfounded. I hadn't thought of it that way but she was right. She didn't know I was leaving the church, and her comment, meant to convince me that MLMs were OK, backfired. :-)

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Posted by: IMout ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 08:25PM

That is too funny as I always thought the church and the

Mormon heaven was just one big MLM. I find that many, if not

most, people do not understand or grasp the concept of a pyramid

scheme and instead think only in terms of buying wholesale

and selling retail. They don't realize that while the guy at the

top is living in a mansion, all the little worker Bees at the

bottom of the ladder are working their heads off to make anything

worth mentioning.

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Posted by: Ex-Sister Sinful Shoulders ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 08:16PM

They respond to TESTIMONIALS, and some of them ignore personal boundaries and social cues.

Righteousness = prosperity.

Many of them exploit their ready made circle-ward, stake, community... going after the most gullible and vulnerable.

They can't or don't know how to say NO to church members, particularly leaders, or to family (anyone in a higher income class in particular).

Their religion is based on fantasy/getting rich quickly is a fantasy also.

The rising tide raises all boats theory.

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Posted by: Phazer ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 08:47PM

Ex-Sister Sinful Shoulders Wrote:
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> They respond to TESTIMONIALS, and some of them
> ignore personal boundaries and social cues.
>
> Righteousness = prosperity.
>
> Many of them exploit their ready made circle-ward,
> stake, community... going after the most gullible
> and vulnerable.
>
> They can't or don't know how to say NO to church
> members, particularly leaders, or to family
> (anyone in a higher income class in particular).
>
> Their religion is based on fantasy/getting rich
> quickly is a fantasy also.

This!

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Posted by: Anon 2 U ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 08:55PM

The Mormon church itself is a massive pyramid scheme, so it's not surprising that its members would be sucked in by similar scams.

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Posted by: madalice ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 09:25PM

One of my TBM relatives went to a MLM party. She told me that it was just like testimony meeting. Everyone stood up and bore their testimony to the truthfulness of the product, and how it would change your life. She was a bit put off by that.

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Posted by: Free Man ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 09:51PM

My exit from the morg started when I heard a member of the bishopric testify to the truthfulness of the gospel.

The week prior, he also testified that the healing magnets he was selling were also true, but I had concluded they were a scam. The light went on in my head that the same kind of thinking was used for both the church and other scams.

Helped that I had been studying the scientific method in my training for epidemiology. Always amazed me that so many members trained in the sciences never see the problem with faith. If you used the church method for discovering truth in science of the courtroom, you would be considered a fraud. But somehow in religion, you can choose in advance what you want to believe, ignore all evidence to the contrary, and you are admired.

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Posted by: Anon 2 U ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 10:00PM

Free Man Wrote:
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> My exit from the morg started when I heard a
> member of the bishopric testify to the
> truthfulness of the gospel.
>
> The week prior, he also testified that the healing
> magnets he was selling were also true, but I had
> concluded they were a scam. The light went on
> in my head that the same kind of thinking was used
> for both the church and other scams.
>
> Helped that I had been studying the scientific
> method in my training for epidemiology. Always
> amazed me that so many members trained in the
> sciences never see the problem with faith. If
> you used the church method for discovering truth
> in science of the courtroom, you would be
> considered a fraud. But somehow in religion,
> you can choose in advance what you want to
> believe, ignore all evidence to the contrary, and
> you are admired.


The problem is, religions have to be "respected" for some reason. A shame they can't be treated with the same disdain given to any other kind of fraudulent and/or unfounded claim.

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Posted by: perky ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 10:11PM

Many mormons literally believe that if they pay tithing they are entitled to riches (this world or the next).

Generally, the more money you have the more esteem you have in the Mormon community (just like all communities). I know a guy who took money from a company just so he could have a boat and take the YM/YM on summer trips and pretend to be the righteous rich guy. This leads people to want to get money any way they can so they can prove to the world how wonderful they are.

It is sad that the Mormon church is so ego driven. No one should have to prove anything, especially related to money to get to heaven, but that's not how it is in Mormon world.

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Posted by: MJ ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 10:21PM

I think it has something to do with faith. They have faith that they if they pray, they will get the answers they need. This means they do not need to do due diligence.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 10:28PM

Greed & $$$$$$'s

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Posted by: IMout ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 10:34PM

Many years ago a woman in our ward went to the hospital because

of a relapse after rather serious surgery. The Relief Society

had organized people in the ward to take meals in for the

duration of her stay. Unbeknownst to anyone, on the day she was

released from the hospital, without even going home, she went

to the airport and took a plane clear across the country to

attend a convention or should we say a pep rally to see products

and learn selling techniques for the MLM she was "knee deep"

involved in. She was being awarded prizes for her high sales

volume and while all this was going on, Ward members were

dutifully taking in meals to the "motherless" family.

You can imagine what hit the "proverbial fan" When people

found out what she had been up to.


She betrayed trust, showed an absolute lack of integrity,

beside the fact that she lost the good will of the entire

ward. It became such an obsession to her that no one mattered

to her any more.

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Posted by: Ex-Sis Sinful Shoulders ( )
Date: February 22, 2015 01:23AM

That is so CRAZY! She actually thought she was entitled to care intended for someone with cancer... and her family played along with the scam!

She should have had to cook Sunday meals for the entire church for months...

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Posted by: Cahomegrown ( )
Date: February 21, 2015 11:34PM

I think it's because in the Ward setting, you have potential for a decent downline..
Having sold Tupperware- there should be no plastic ware jokes..it was/is a great product.

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Posted by: Heresy ( )
Date: February 22, 2015 12:05AM

There's a thing called affinity fraud, where humans tend to believe memebers of their own group without thinking critically.


Utah has more MLMs registered than any other state, partly because Utah has the best laws for running them. Utah specifically passed MLM friendly laws some time ago.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 22, 2015 12:21AM

any good ones?

Tupperware?

avon?

it seems to me... those are more oriented around their products than building a business/downstream.

any???



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