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ificouldhietokolob
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Date: May 22, 2018 07:18PM
spiritist Wrote:
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> Looks like we were both somewhat wrong about
> providing 'statistical evidence'(not sure yet that
> 'science' will accept it) supporting the
> psychic/intuitive ability to remote view.
You might have been, I wasn't. :)
> Even
> though proven statistically, science still cannot
> explain how it is possible!!!
It hasn't been "proven statistically."
See, that's where you're wrong.
> Maybe this is 'one
> reason' this proven ability is not discussed much
> in main stream media or in many scientific
> journals.
Um, no. It's not discussed at all in "scientific journals" because it's NOT a "proven ability." It is, in fact, just the opposite.
> However, when the US government directly hired
> psychics for almost 20 years to use in spy
> projects a lot of the data concerning their
> accuracy and the projects were classified.
Yes, some idiots mistakenly thought the Russkies were 'beating us' in 'psychic warfare,' and so convinced the government to pay for such things. And yes, it took 20 years to cancel the whole thing, after a scientific panel finally looked at all they had done and concluded it was entirely worthless.
> Recently a lot of information has become
> 'unclassified' and the 'statistical accuracy' of
> this unexplainable ability is more available to
> the public. Here is a 'PHD statistician' that
> studied the results of the Government remote
> viewing program indicated the probability of RV
> accuracy tested was just luck or guessing was 1 in
> 10 billion!
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrwAiU2g5RU> Around 7:30 mark.
I'd make some comment about gullibility, but I don't think it would do any good.
Instead, I'll just add this:
"In 1995, the American Institutes for Research (AIR) appointed a panel consisting primarily of Utts and Ray Hyman to evaluate a project investigating remote viewing for espionage applications, the Stargate Project,[6] which was funded by the Central Intelligence Agency and Defense Intelligence Agency, and carried out initially by Stanford Research Institute and subsequently by SAIC.
A report by Utts claimed the results were evidence of psychic functioning, however Hyman in his report argued Utts' conclusion that ESP had been proven to exist, especially precognition, was premature and the findings had not been independently replicated. According to Hyman "the overwhelming amount of data generated by the viewers is vague, general, and way off target. The few apparent hits are just what we would expect if nothing other than reasonable guessing and subjective validation are operating." Funding for the project was stopped after these reports were issued. Jessica Utts also co-authored papers with the parapsychologist Edwin May, who took over Stargate in 1985. The psychologist David Marks noted that as Utts has published papers with May "she was not independent of the research team. Her appointment to the review panel is puzzling; an evaluation is likely to be less than partial when an evaluator is not independent of the program under investigation.""
What a surprise! Someone who already believed in parapsychology and remote viewing claimed the statistics showed it worked!
Never mind that her statistics were flawed (as Hyman and Marks clearly showed), and that her appointment as a "believer" was problematic. And that even if her "report" hadn't been flawed, nobody anywhere has ever been able to replicate any of the "Stargate" remote-viewing results (which isn't at all surprising, given the flaws in THAT group's methods and reporting...).
But then, all we have to do is notice one thing:
"Utts is on the executive board of the International Remote Viewing Association (IRVA)."
Yeah, so it's like hiring a mormon apologist to "research" mormon history. Guess what the results will be?
Now, if you'd like to read an honest, objective assessment, try this one:
https://www.csicop.org/si/show/evidence_for_psychic_functioning_claims_vs._reality